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re: Why is wanting better for LSU football a negative?

Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:46 am to
Posted by nm1230
Nashville, TN
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:46 am to
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No one is saying it can't be effective.
I'll disagree here. I watch all the games with a large group, and there hasn't been a single time when this play has been run when I haven't heard at least ten grunts of frustration. There are plenty of people who think that this play should be wiped from the book.


I'm not one of them.

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The Ole Miss game proved that. LSU can line up against 80% of the teams they play and do this and win. What's plan B?
If you're implying that there is no plan B, then that's dumb. I'd guess you aren't, but that's for you to decide.


Yes, the offense this year really never developed a Plan B. Most of the opponents didn't respect LSU's ability to throw. And LSU didn't do it very effectively.

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It's the childish argument that anyone who criticizes the offense and lack of passing game wants a Texas Tech offense. This is not true.
What about if 80% of sidewalk fans believe it? Stereotypes aren't made up.


I don't concern myself with what sidewalk fans think.

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Try harder.
Don't have to. The numbers are on my side.

What numbers? The numbers where LSU's offense rank in the nation this year?


Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:47 am to
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Holy shite. Im done talking to you. You dont know shite about football



ok genius, continue to call the FB lined up behind the tackle and the RB lined up behind the QB an I formation. jesus f'ing Christ!

I guess a single back set is a shotgun without a fullback. A shotgun formation is an I formation just with out the QB under center and the RB's split. Dam, all formations are the I formation.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 11:50 am
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:48 am to
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Many of these Pumpers have a religious mentality. It doesn't seem to matter what is said, they've already made up their minds that Miles is always right and completely above any criticism. It is a totally deranged idea.
This is untrue. It's a lie, and the idea that it is true is insane.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:51 am to
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Yes, the offense this year really never developed a Plan B. Most of the opponents didn't respect LSU's ability to throw. And LSU didn't do it very effectively.
Sounds like the offense was 20% Plan B.
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What numbers? The numbers where LSU's offense rank in the nation this year?

Game results during Miles' tenure. They do nothing but suggest that Miles at LSU is one of the 25 best coach-at-a-single-school tenures in the history of the sport. Sidewalk fans get uppity when I mention this. I'm sure you won't.
Posted by nm1230
Nashville, TN
Member since Oct 2011
698 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:52 am to

Still waiting on your analysis comparing LSU's formations, plays and routes to an NFL offense.

I'll keep checking back. Looking forward to you dropping knowledge on everyone.

This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 11:53 am
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
4889 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:52 am to
It may be untrue about you. I'm not familiar with you, and based on our limited interaction I'm not much interested. But, that does seem to be a common attitude among the Pumpers (if the label doesn't apply, don't personalize it).
Posted by ItsThatDude12
Giving out Mercy Knees
Member since Apr 2009
9927 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:53 am to
You've been gone for a couple days but JaxTiger and LSUgroupee has picked up your slack.

Welcome back!

Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:55 am to
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But, that does seem to be a common attitude among the Pumpers (if the label doesn't apply, don't personalize it).
No it doesn't. You are wrong. This is a lie. Knock it off. Not a single Pumper has this attitude. It was a stupid thing for you to say, and a lot of you people say it. You people are dishonest.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:56 am to
Yeah I saw you backpedaling a few pages back.
Posted by nm1230
Nashville, TN
Member since Oct 2011
698 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:57 am to
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Yes, the offense this year really never developed a Plan B. Most of the opponents didn't respect LSU's ability to throw. And LSU didn't do it very effectively.
Sounds like the offense was 20% Plan B.

Sounds like? Do you think they effectively developed a plan B? Do you think being that unbalanced is efficient?

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What numbers? The numbers where LSU's offense rank in the nation this year?
Game results during Miles' tenure. They do nothing but suggest that Miles at LSU is one of the 25 best coach-at-a-single-school tenures in the history of the sport. Sidewalk fans get uppity when I mention this. I'm sure you won't.


My post doesn't have anything to do with Miles' record during his tenure. You are so used to repeating your pro-Miles schtick that you can't even address the point of my post.



Posted by nm1230
Nashville, TN
Member since Oct 2011
698 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:59 am to
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But, that does seem to be a common attitude among the Pumpers (if the label doesn't apply, don't personalize it).
No it doesn't. You are wrong. This is a lie. Knock it off. Not a single Pumper has this attitude. It was a stupid thing for you to say, and a lot of you people say it. You people are dishonest.


Do any of your posts have anything remotely interesting to say? Or are they just generalizations of "pumpers" and "sidewalk" fans.

Posted by ItsThatDude12
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9927 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:00 pm to
Posted this in another thread and I'd like to get your insight on the situation with our Quarterbacks.

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In the New Mexico game this year Harris came in and led 6 TD drives after jennings turned it over 3 times in the first quarter.

Les Miles and Cam Cameron gave Harris the start on the road vs Auburn. This throws out the argument that he doesn't know the playbook. Would Les and Cam start a guy on the road who doesn't know the playbook? Why would they start a guy who gets out worked day in and day out by AJ?

Harris had an awful game but he was setup for failure. The play calling was terrible, we ran it 18 of the first 21 plays and when we looked up we were down 17-0.

So after his one start, Jennings gets the job back and gets a total of 11 starts on the year. Pretty bad sample size to come to the conclusion that Jennings is definitely the correct answer.

Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:00 pm to
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Sounds like?
You said they do what they do 80% of the time and asked what's Plan B. Wouldn't that be whatever they do the other 20% of the time?
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Do you think they effectively developed a plan B? Do you think being that unbalanced is efficient?

Effective and efficient enough to go 8-4 against this year's schedule. No more, no less.

I take that back. It was effective and efficient enough to go 9-3 against this year's schedule, but there was a game that the guys choked away. A big game. shite.
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My post doesn't have anything to do with Miles' record during his tenure. You are so used to repeating your pro-Miles schtick that you can't even address the point of my post.
Yeah, those numbers can be really annoying when they don't support your opinions.
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
4889 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:00 pm to
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Good God, you actually think there is something you could tell Miles, Cam and the other offensive coaches that they don't already know!

That's too fricking hilarious!


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He has far more information about them than you ever will about any football player, and he is far more capable of evaluating and applying that information than you are. Even when his ultimate decision does not work or your conclusion does work, your judgment is still not as accurate as his.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:01 pm to
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Do any of your posts have anything remotely interesting to say? Or are they just generalizations of "pumpers" and "sidewalk" fans.

I don't really need to be creative. I can just look at the numbers.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:03 pm to
It is no secret that quarterback play is a point of need for the Tigers. No sane person denies that. I am uninterested in discussing the professional or personal relationship between our coaches. They are paid handsomely and will do their best, and I will root for them to do so.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16643 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:05 pm to
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They do nothing but suggest that Miles at LSU is one of the 25 best coach-at-a-single-school tenures in the history of the sport.


So how long before he drops out of this meaningless ranking? And why not "one of the best 7 or 29 or 63 or . . ."?
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:05 pm to
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Good God, you actually think there is something you could tell Miles, Cam and the other offensive coaches that they don't already know!

That's too fricking hilarious!


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He has far more information about them than you ever will about any football player, and he is far more capable of evaluating and applying that information than you are. Even when his ultimate decision does not work or your conclusion does work, your judgment is still not as accurate as his.
All of this is true. What's the problem? Are you quoting this as someone's view that Miles is infallible? There's nothing of the sort in this quote.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:06 pm to
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So how long before he drops out of this meaningless ranking? And why not "one of the best 7 or 29 or 63 or . . ."?

Depends on how long it takes younger and future coaches to surpass him.
Posted by ItsThatDude12
Giving out Mercy Knees
Member since Apr 2009
9927 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:08 pm to
i'd disagree that he's capable of evaluating the QB position, or managing the clock/timeouts.

He's good at a number of other things though. All coaches make questionable/dumb decisions, so when people act like LSU has the only coach who does this they're mistaken.
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