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re: Why haven't we installed some sort of Wildcat package for Shep?
Posted on 4/28/12 at 5:57 pm to ChewyDante
Posted on 4/28/12 at 5:57 pm to ChewyDante
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You have still miserably failed to make the case against using Shepard from the backfield.
We probably win the NC if this happens.
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Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:00 pm to ChewyDante
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You keep saying this. Why exactly are you opposed to people discussing football topics on an LSU message board in May? And who are you to determine such anyway?
I just think it's indicative of how pathetic our fanbase can be when they manage to take a random Saturday out of the year to conjure up the ability to complain and whine over something that is over, will never change, and was fricking fine and dandy for an entire regular season but one loss in the biggest game of the year to a better team and all of a sudden it's months and months of revisionist history "could'a would'a should'a" from our fanbase.
IT IS OVER. THEY ARE GONE. This should be celebrated. We have a great possibility to run the table this year, a year that many felt was our year to begin with. It absolutely sucks that we lost. But I thought people were done having this shite consume their lives on this board. I understood it for about a month after the game. But at this point, it's just pathetic. Straight up.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:01 pm to LSUTil_iDie
First off, he is not percy harvin. 2nd those uf offenses ran great with one of the best college football players ever in tebow.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:01 pm to VegasPro
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Why do we need it? We dominate the line of scrimmage. No need for trick plays.
Did you watch the BCSNCG?
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:03 pm to Tiger Authority
Now people are considered irrational for thinking our offense sucks?
Lol, I'm done with you. Enjoy your prolific offense.
Lol, I'm done with you. Enjoy your prolific offense.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:04 pm to Tiger Authority
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We probably win the NC if this happens.
I detect your sarcasm. Maybe it does give us a spark in that game. I bet it would have helped us at minimum generate more offense. The fact is, the game planning in that game was all around terrible. We very well could have lost to Georgia had a few special teams plays and great defensive stands and turnovers not swung it in our favor. The fact is, why not use something that has worked? No one is arguing that the team didn't take care of business in the 2011 regular season, but there was definitely room for improvement on the offensive side of the ball and I can't fathom anyone arguing that.
And again, could it have helped us in 2010 more? I think our offense definitely needed to be changed in 2010.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:06 pm to TheBob
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Now people are considered irrational for thinking our offense sucks?
Nope, they're irrational when they think the answer to our loss to Alabama was Shep in the zone read. Yeah, that's what we were missing. A fricking zone read play with Russell out there.
Again, you think our offense will be the same as last year? If it nets us 13-0 in the regular season, I will take 2800 yards rushing any day of the week. It's terrible that we lost, but I have no doubt we'll be better throwing the ball next year because we'll have better quarterback play. So if you supplement 2800 rushing yards (do you realize how impressive this is) and a decent passing attack, and I think the future of our offense is very bright.
But hey, if you want to regress to discussing last year go ahead. Enjoy your pathetic attempt to rationalize it.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:10 pm to ChewyDante
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I detect your sarcasm.
Nothing gets past you.
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Maybe it does give us a spark in that game. I bet it would have helped us at minimum generate more offense.
I'm pretty sure we ran a zone read in that game.
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The fact is, the game planning in that game was all around terrible.
I agree.
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We very well could have lost to Georgia had a few special teams plays and great defensive stands and turnovers not swung it in our favor.
But we didn't. And we killed them. It wasn't close in the second half. We wore them down running the football, as we did to every single other team. Our identity was defense, field position, and pounding it. It worked against everyone in the regular season. I wish our passing was better, but it wasn't.
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And again, could it have helped us in 2010 more? I think our offense definitely needed to be changed in 2010.
Ummm, it was. I seem to recall a certain offensive coordinator being let go. Did you forget this change? It was pretty significant.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:10 pm to Tiger Authority
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I just think it's indicative of how pathetic our fanbase can be when they manage to take a random Saturday out of the year to conjure up the ability to complain and whine over something that is over, will never change,
Really? You don't talk about past football with your friends? You think it's pathetic that people discuss the previous football season and strategy and whatnot? And on a fricking sports message board at that? I think it's pathetic how defensive you are over fans talking about their team and players.
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and was fricking fine and dandy for an entire regular season but one loss in the biggest game of the year to a better team and all of a sudden it's months and months of revisionist history "could'a would'a should'a" from our fanbase.
You really think people weren't talking about this in 2009, 2010, AND during the 2011 season? You are either lying or completely ignorant of people debating this for years now.
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IT IS OVER. THEY ARE GONE.
Who's gone? Shep's gone? I thought he was still on the team. And again, we know the season is over. People discuss and banter about sports seasons that are already over. In fact, that is 90% of what sports talk fricking is.
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We have a great possibility to run the table this year, a year that many felt was our year to begin with. It absolutely sucks that we lost.
And none of what's being discussed here is arguing with that.
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But I thought people were done having this shite consume their lives on this board. I understood it for about a month after the game. But at this point, it's just pathetic. Straight up.
LOL. That's all I can really say to this. You are extremely sensitive and butthurt about something if this topic bothers you this much or you think it is indicative of "consuming" anyone's life. Get it together bro.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:13 pm to ChewyDante
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Really? You don't talk about past football with your friends? You think it's pathetic that people discuss the previous football season and strategy and whatnot? And on a fricking sports message board at that? I think it's pathetic how defensive you are over fans talking about their team and players.
Do I enjoy reminiscing the worst loss in our history four months after the fact just for the heck of it? Not really. I was at the game. I don't plan on watching replays of it in my lifetime. I don't plan on rewatching the game, I was there and once was enough. And I certainly don't think it makes sense to complain about it at this point when the reasons for that terrible display, aside from poor gameplanning, were two quarterbacks that are no longer here.
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Who's gone? Shep's gone? I thought he was still on the team. And again, we know the season is over. People discuss and banter about sports seasons that are already over. In fact, that is 90% of what sports talk fricking is.
They is plural. Who do you think? JJ and Lee. They're gone.
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LOL. That's all I can really say to this. You are extremely sensitive and butthurt about something if this topic bothers you this much or you think it is indicative of "consuming" anyone's life. Get it together bro.
No other explanation unless you just enjoy feeling shitty.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:16 pm to LSUTil_iDie
Although our offense doesn't need it, I don't think it would be a terrible idea to at least have it in the playbook.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:17 pm to Tiger Authority
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Nothing gets past you.
Why so smug?
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I'm pretty sure we ran a zone read in that game.
Oh right, because that is the subject of the thread and what I was talking about. Just the zone read.
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But we didn't. And we killed them. It wasn't close in the second half. We wore them down running the football, as we did to every single other team. Our identity was defense, field position, and pounding it. It worked against everyone in the regular season. I wish our passing was better, but it wasn't.
Yes, but winning wasn't a foregone conclusion. It didn't have to turn out that way. It happened too, thank goodness, but that doesn't justify not using a package that has been successful in generating offense for you. You keep using this notion that we won as an example of why not using Shep from the backfield was justified, and that is really obtuse.
And again, you seem to ignore all the games we lost in 2010 with shitty offense where we also didn't use Shep in that package. So why didn't we use him then either?
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Ummm, it was. I seem to recall a certain offensive coordinator being let go. Did you forget this change? It was pretty significant.
Yeah, that was after 2010 and we still didn't use Shep. In fact, we used him effectively in that capacity his freshman year and the start of 2010 and then inexplicably stopped. We lost games that year with terrible offense, so given that your "but we won" argument for explaining it away in 2011 is not valid here, why didn't we use it in 2010?
It's a legitimate question. Why you are so defensive about it being asked is pretty perplexing.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:21 pm to ChewyDante
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Oh right, because that is the subject of the thread and what I was talking about. Just the zone read.
What else would you like us to run with him that we never ran with Jefferson that would have solved our problems?
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It didn't have to turn out that way. It happened too, thank goodness, but that doesn't justify not using a package that has been successful in generating offense for you. You keep using this notion that we won as an example of why not using Shep from the backfield was justified, and that is really obtuse.
I just don't understand how you can say we needed Shep so badly when we ran the ball so well all season. Shep wasn't passing the football, and if anything, would make us more one dimensional because he's never going to throw a pass. So I'm not sure what that does for our offense that changes anything.
Sure, there are times when I like using him in sweeps, which we didn't do last year, but I don't think Shep in the wildcat does much for us. We ran the ball well.
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Yeah, that was after 2010 and we still didn't use Shep. In fact, we used him effectively in that capacity his freshman year and the start of 2010 and then inexplicably stopped. We lost games that year with terrible offense, so given that your "but we won" argument for explaining it away in 2011 is not valid here, why didn't we use it in 2010?
Just so we're on the same page, is your contention that Shep should be our quarterback?
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:23 pm to Tiger Authority
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Do I enjoy reminiscing the worst loss in our history four months after the fact just for the heck of it?
Ok, great. But 1) that's not what we're doing here, though you seem to interpret it that way for whatever reason, and 2) you don't get to dictate what others enjoy talking about on this board anyhow.
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And I certainly don't think it makes sense to complain about it at this point when the reasons for that terrible display, aside from poor gameplanning, were two quarterbacks that are no longer here.
We're talking about Shep and the wildcat package though. And again, you don't like to discuss past negatives, good for you. Avoid the thread then instead of COMPLAINING like you love to accuse others who do wish to discuss it as doing.
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They is plural. Who do you think? JJ and Lee. They're gone.
Oh I'm sorry. I didn't realize the thread was titled JJ and JL, I thought it was about why we didn't use Shep more. And that conversation actually does involve JJ and JL. Again, if you don't like it, you can avoid it. I mean you said you hate to relive the bad memories, so just ignore the thread then and move on.
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No other explanation unless you just enjoy feeling shitty.
Believe it or not, some of us can have these without getting as upset as you seem to be. Once again, if you don't like it, you don't have to partake.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:26 pm to Tiger Authority
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Just so we're on the same page, is your contention that Shep should be our quarterback?
Not in the slightest. My argument is that we should have continued to sprinkle in plays for Shep out of the backfield like we did in 2009 and in the beginning of 2010, particularly when our offense was struggling, such all of 2010 and certain stretches in 2011. I also see no reason why it couldn't have been implemented while we were doing well last year either. There's no negative to a package that works.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:28 pm to ChewyDante
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Not in the slightest. My argument is that we should have continued to sprinkle in plays for Shep out of the backfield like we did in 2009 and in the beginning of 2010, particularly when our offense was struggling, such all of 2010 and certain stretches in 2011.
The change in coordinators likely had a lot to do with that.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:29 pm to Tiger Authority
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What else would you like us to run with him that we never ran with Jefferson that would have solved our problems?
The funny thing is thinking that running a zone read with Jefferson is equal to running packages with Shep. Shep take direct snaps, be the tailback in the zone read, run the zone read with another back, and take end around sweeps as well as be a decoy.
We are talking about why Shep wasn't used like this anymore, not that LSU didn't run the zone read with Jordan Jefferson. Your point was completely invalid that we ran the zone read as that wasn't the discussion.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:39 pm to LSUTil_iDie
I've been asking that question ever since he got to LSU??
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:48 pm to Tiger Authority
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Nope, they're irrational when they think the answer to our loss to Alabama was Shep in the zone read. Yeah, that's what we were missing.
Never once did anyone in this thread say we beat Bama with a Widcat package. Would it hurt to have it in is all anyone is saying. But your pussy is too hurt in defense of our terrible offense to see that.
And by the way, this thread is about past seasons talking about Shep and the wildcat. As in why haven't we done that yet. So you're pretty much bitching about people discussing the purpose of the thread.
Posted on 4/28/12 at 6:53 pm to LSUTil_iDie
you guys at the top of the thread have short memories.
Shep ran a few plays as QB. They were all runs. He did not throw one pass.
I remember his very last play from QB. He went into a hole, leaped, and the D-lineman caught him in mid-air and slammed him to the ground like you would drop a sack of potatoes. Last play he ever ran as QB.
Shep ran a few plays as QB. They were all runs. He did not throw one pass.
I remember his very last play from QB. He went into a hole, leaped, and the D-lineman caught him in mid-air and slammed him to the ground like you would drop a sack of potatoes. Last play he ever ran as QB.
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