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re: Why does Coach O get so much grief about his first head coaching job?
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:58 pm to SabiDojo
Posted on 11/13/16 at 12:58 pm to SabiDojo
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Quick question, would you take Frank Wilson over Orgeron?
Considering Wilson took over a team that was 3-9 and is now 5-5, which is a win total half of O's win total at Ole Miss over three years, yes I would.
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Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:00 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Everyone needs to take their heads out of their asses. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
I know. What in the living frick is going on?
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:01 pm to tigerfoot
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A Dline coach as head man? Oh my goodness, maybe we should expand our search to all good position coaches
I just dont get it.
Half our fan base hated having an elite recruiter and elite motivator than ran a prostyle offense and he had questionabke game day coaching and they want to replace him with an elite recruiter and elite motivator that runs a prostyle offense but he has questionable game day coaching.
Its mind blowing. They wanted miles gone to hire a Miles type hc with a cajun accent.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:03 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Its mind blowing. They wanted miles gone to hire a Miles type hc with a cajun accent.
Who has had far less success than Les Miles
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:04 pm to SabiDojo
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There you go. Which goes to show you that they had a choice and went with Orgeron
Ha ha. So they went with a guy that knew the players. Aranda had been on the job for 6 months. Lol.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:05 pm to TheCaterpillar
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we hire him to be our head coach, we will never win shite again. The rest of the SEC will laugh in our fricking faces.
So we should take your word for it and hire someone else. You got Marty's almanac, bro? Hook me up!
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If the man had a midwest accent, nobody would want to hire him. If LSU fired him tomorrow, no big football program would even entertain the thought of interviewing him for the head coaching job.
okay dude quote:
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Sounds like it too.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:06 pm to NOLADirty
Well why should the rest of the State have to listen to people from S. La idolize a failed coach for the simple reason he talks right and is a Cajun? I know how tired I am of seeing it on this board constantly.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:07 pm to PapaPogey
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So we should take your word for it and hire someone else.
How dare he not want to hire a coach that was 10-25 at his only other head coaching stop and was far worse than the coaches who came before and after him.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:07 pm to Tiger Ree
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CEO was Associate head coach, D-Line and recruiting coordinator under Pete Carroll at USC.
So a dline coach?
Lets hope and pray that a 55 year old dline coach can be successfull at one the toughest jobs in in cfb.
This post was edited on 11/13/16 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:08 pm to PapaPogey
Holy frick are you trolling? I know you're smarter than this.
His resume is atrocious.
Wtf is going on in our fanbase? WTF
No, you should open your eyes and realize he's not qualified to be the head coach of a top 5 job in the country. Period.
Why do you like O? Because he beat teams we were supposed to beat and lost to Alabama? Because he went 6-2 at USC with a big talent advantage?
Or is it because he was wholly uninvolved with building either program?
Or do you like him because he was 3-21 at Ole Miss in the SEC and got worse every year? That must be it. That 0-8 record in his 3rd year with his players and program at Ole Miss must really be enticing to you.
His resume is atrocious.
Wtf is going on in our fanbase? WTF
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So we should take your word for it and hire someone else
No, you should open your eyes and realize he's not qualified to be the head coach of a top 5 job in the country. Period.
Why do you like O? Because he beat teams we were supposed to beat and lost to Alabama? Because he went 6-2 at USC with a big talent advantage?
Or is it because he was wholly uninvolved with building either program?
Or do you like him because he was 3-21 at Ole Miss in the SEC and got worse every year? That must be it. That 0-8 record in his 3rd year with his players and program at Ole Miss must really be enticing to you.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:09 pm to crazy4lsu
So you, like Caterpillar, just assume we won't win if we keep him around?
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:10 pm to crazy4lsu
Don shula would disagree. Just saying...
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:11 pm to TheCaterpillar
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No, you should open your eyes and realize he's not qualified to be the head coach of a top 5 job in the country. Period.
Why do you like O? Because he beat teams we were supposed to beat and lost to Alabama? Because he went 6-2 at USC with a big talent advantage?
Or is it because he was wholly uninvolved with building either program?
Or do you like him because he was 3-21 at Ole Miss in the SEC and got worse every year? That must be it. That 0-8 record in his 3rd year with his players and program at Ole Miss must really be enticing to you.
It doesnt get anymore spot on than this. There are 40 different COORDINATORS, im not even counting head coaches, with better resumes than Coach O. But but but he sounds cajun.
These are the same people that said Miles resume wasnt good enough for lsu. This shite is mindblowing.
This post was edited on 11/13/16 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:12 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
So, last week for the Bama game my wife and I had some friends over to watch. One of the couples includes a former Ole Miss player (not sure his exact playing years, but he's in his mid 40's now). He is also a referee (not really active now) and was hired by Coach O to work there off season practices one year. During the Bama game, my buddy had many interesting things to say about Coach O.
First, just as a human being, he thinks Coach O is an incredible person (I don't think that perspective would get much argument from anybody anyway).
Second, he felt that Ole Miss's alumni really never liked him and therefore Coach O never really had a chance to ultimately succeed there. My buddy didn't overlook the fact that his performance while there wasn't great, he just felt like from the get-go the deck was stacked against him.
Thirdly, and maybe most importantly, he felt that (being able to observe up close his coaching style) he spent way too much time and effort micro-managing his coordinators. His opinion was that CEO was so focused on succeeding that he ended up being his own downfall by not trusting his coordinators to do their jobs.
Having said all of that, however, he really believed that the experience from Ole Miss and the experience since has probably shaped him in positive ways. And, since learning all of this from my buddy, I feel like it all makes sense when I now hear CEO speak. I personally feel like he has learned from that time and knows how to not make the same mistakes he made back then. And when you add that to the fact that Louisiana is his home and his passion, I just have to wonder if this isn't a case of the stars aligning to bring us the right guy at the right time; someone who has matured from previous failures and is ready to lead us to a new era.
I live in NW Arkansas and was at the game last night. It was a special moment after the game when the players and coach brought the boot over and celebrated with the fans. CEO loves this team, these players and our fans. And is was clear from the fan's reaction that they absolutely love him too. Anyway, just my thoughts...
First, just as a human being, he thinks Coach O is an incredible person (I don't think that perspective would get much argument from anybody anyway).
Second, he felt that Ole Miss's alumni really never liked him and therefore Coach O never really had a chance to ultimately succeed there. My buddy didn't overlook the fact that his performance while there wasn't great, he just felt like from the get-go the deck was stacked against him.
Thirdly, and maybe most importantly, he felt that (being able to observe up close his coaching style) he spent way too much time and effort micro-managing his coordinators. His opinion was that CEO was so focused on succeeding that he ended up being his own downfall by not trusting his coordinators to do their jobs.
Having said all of that, however, he really believed that the experience from Ole Miss and the experience since has probably shaped him in positive ways. And, since learning all of this from my buddy, I feel like it all makes sense when I now hear CEO speak. I personally feel like he has learned from that time and knows how to not make the same mistakes he made back then. And when you add that to the fact that Louisiana is his home and his passion, I just have to wonder if this isn't a case of the stars aligning to bring us the right guy at the right time; someone who has matured from previous failures and is ready to lead us to a new era.
I live in NW Arkansas and was at the game last night. It was a special moment after the game when the players and coach brought the boot over and celebrated with the fans. CEO loves this team, these players and our fans. And is was clear from the fan's reaction that they absolutely love him too. Anyway, just my thoughts...
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:13 pm to PapaPogey
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So you, like Caterpillar, just assume we won't win if we keep him around?
No, I assume we would get worse the longer he was coach. He's out of his depth. Aranda is the real star of the staff and is the one who is guiding this revival.
I mean, would we even hire him if he wasn't the interim coach? Could he compete with the likes of Fisher and Herman on resumes alone? He couldn't.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:14 pm to PapaPogey
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So you, like Caterpillar, just assume we won't win if we keep him around?
Well, judging by the only other time he was in charge of building and sustaining a program, which happened to be in our division, yes I assume we would not win a lot. Probably 8/9 wins a year just off talent at best.
You don't hire someone with that resume to be LSU's head football coach. Period.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:15 pm to pilsnerpusher
Would disagree with what?
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:15 pm to Big Old Ern
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Second, he felt that Ole Miss's alumni really never liked him and therefore Coach O never really had a chance to ultimately succeed there.
Lol. His record his what never gave him a chnace to succeed at ole miss. Those same alumni , that were starved for some success, wouldve worshipped him if he were able to show improvement.
He got worse every year.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:15 pm to crazy4lsu
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Aranda is the one who is guiding this revival.
And y'all think I'm crazy? Holy frick. Can I use this as sig material?
Posted on 11/13/16 at 1:16 pm to TheCaterpillar
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You don't hire someone with that resume to be LSU's head football coach. Period.
In addition we have a proven track record of success. We've hired to NC winning coaches using the same formula, namely that they had a winning record at their previous stops. Why deviate from that?
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