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re: Why do people on this board think they know better than the coaching staff?

Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:44 pm to
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:44 pm to
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Love the self-confidence though, no matter how ignorant it make you appear.


dude, coaching is not that hard, current dicussion aside, I guarantee you that many on this board could have done no worse than Hallman, it would have been too much of a pay cut for me at the time though
Posted by LSUANDY25
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:48 pm to
777Tiger
Certainly u can give a fair enough estimate, something youre comfortable with, if not . U surely arent the guy for this job.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:48 pm to
here's a point I've been making for years.

all fans criticize the playcalling of the staff. what makes your complaints more legitimate than theirs? since that is equal among the fanbases, what team is more successful?

in other words, you complain that miles made a mistake. the opponent fans can complain that their staff made mistakes on all the plays that miles was successful. so who has more reason to complain? the fans that win less are wishing they had lsu's smaller list of complaints. if that's the case, why even bother complaining except to say you wish miles was better than saban?

JUST ADMIT IT SABAN LOVERS.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 5:51 pm to
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Certainly u can give a fair enough estimate,

didn't you read my post, assuming the givens stated, seamless is my answer

I know this is all off season smoke blowing, but those guys are given way more credit than deserved, because we're all sports nuts, but I would have no qualms accepting the challenge

ETA: and as stated would have greater success making the switch than would Lesticles
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 5:54 pm
Posted by LSUANDY25
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 6:05 pm to
a fan never acknowledges that the opponent has 11 scholarship players and coaches who are also experienced and have developed a reasonable gameplan against lsu. they just see a play not work and think they know better what lsu should have done and it's guaranteed to work because "lsu has talent".
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This and the Shaq being tall example should stop this board but it wont.
Whatever it is that has u hating on Miles, media 1/9, Ole Miss........ Let it go. Open your mind.
Its tougher and tougher every year. Teams are catching up, count your blessings ever day Miles is happy here.
If it were easy everybody would be doing it! 4-5 mil a year aint never gonna be easy.
Posted by LSUANDY25
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 6:11 pm to
Tiger777

Seamless? Like walk in this coming Monday. Have him clean out his desk and wish him luck watching his kids final sports and teenage careers/years?
Posted by redgreen
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 6:12 pm to
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Do some of y'all really think that the coaching staff is purposely not putting the best players on the field?


This is a forum for discussing football. Are you really surprised that people are discussing the notion of Beckwith starting over a player that always seems lost on the field?
Posted by LSUANDY25
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 6:22 pm to
You are correct. Questioning who should play is fine.
But until LSu loses a game because of the MLB most think u should give Chavis and Miles the benefit of the doubt. I want Beckwith to win the job in the eyes of his teammates and coaches. But until Chavis makes that change i will give him the benefit of the doubt. He has earned that. When his defenses dont play well and leave for the NFL, it will be a better argument.
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 6:25 pm
Posted by SouthdownsTiger
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 7/19/14 at 6:29 pm to
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dude, coaching is not that hard, current dicussion aside, I guarantee you that many on this board could have done no worse than Hallman, it would have been too much of a pay cut for me at the time though


"Coaching" is an extremely broad term.

And it's difficult even if you're just trying to coach up some kids to play junior high school sports. It only get's exponentially tougher the further along up the ladder one goes. Job security, a given in many 'normal' jobs is non-existent. It's either produce or see ya bye.

Without a doubt, you'd pee your pant's walking out on Tiger Stadium's field, even if you held the lowest coaching position there is. Of this, I am 100% certain.

You'd be as entertaining then as you're being now.
Posted by LSU Groupee
Member since Oct 2012
4026 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 6:36 pm to
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Ive provided examples to the contrary. Sorry if you dont want to see them as mistakes.




Saying JL should have started the next game even after his melt down against Alabama and saying you don't like a LB Chavis puts out there isn't providing shite.

Well, it does prove how far you will reach to back up your negative agenda against the most successful football coach in LSU history.

Posted by GeauxstsofLSU
Member since Jul 2014
166 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 6:40 pm to
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JUST ADMIT IT SABAN LOVERS.



Saban doesn't make mistakes. Doug Nussmeier does, which is why he suffered the embarrassment of being replaced by Lane Kiffin.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 6:41 pm to
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coaching is not that hard
this is an interesting point. a fan might have a higher iq than any of the coaches but, is that enough to be a successful coach? you might be smarter than a construction foreman but there's no way you should be trusted on a job site to make better decisions than an experienced, highly respected foreman.

the best coaches obviously have an aptitude for the game. it's a specific kind of intelligence that a fan might or might not have, which is beside the point. the point is that football fans, even if highly intelligent, have no credibility when they criticize playcalling. they don't know all the variables as well as the coaches and they have no guarantee that their alternative would have worked better. it's even worse when fans criticize player personnel decisions.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
87687 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 6:50 pm to
I didn't pee my pants when I played. Only reason why I might do it now would be incontinence.
Posted by geauxjo
Gonzales, LA
Member since Sep 2004
15272 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 6:52 pm to
The fact that this thread is still going on and some people actually think that they could even remotely come close to doing the type of job that LM has done show the absolute delusion that some live in.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 6:53 pm to
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Saban doesn't make mistakes
all things considered, saban is the only coach in America doing a better job than miles. that's the only criticism of miles I can find that's warranted. saban has gotten the better of miles, and not by much. so, if you want to complain about that, go ahead. otherwise, complaining about specific plays in specific games is just small minded and agenda driven.

now, why isn't miles #2 on every coaching list? I see 2 main reasons.

1. those lists almost never provide their criteria and even when they do, it's a subjective list of criteria that always omits something important or at the least, doesn't take into consideration all facets of coaching.

2. perception. miles is perceived to be a doofus which ignores the evidence of his ability to field a program more successful than anybody except for bama. miles' alleged bad moments just happened to have been in high profile, highly publicized situations. otherwise, it's merely because of his semi speech impediment which has nothing to do with coaching.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:03 pm to
food for thought

if refgate doesn't happen in '06, it's not unreasonable to think lsu beats auburn. lsu might have been in the sec championship game and was playing better than anyone at the end of the season.

auburn plays 2010 with an ineligible player. it's not miles' fault that the ncaa and the sec didn't do their job. lsu might have gotten a bcs game that season otherwise. msu notified the sec before the season even started. everyone knew newton was an ineligible player. no one had the guts to pull the trigger and hid behind a technicality.

bama gets the ncg appearance instead of osu. personally, I think osu doesn't provide near the challenge that bama did. osu had absolutely no defense whatsoever. what if lsu had beaten osu?

Peterson is awarded the interception against bama in 2009. it's not unreasonable to think that lsu could have won the game. perhaps no championship for bama and perhaps sec championship game for lsu.

if those 4 things, all beyond miles' control, play out differently, it's not unreasonable to think that miles is sitting on top instead of saban. the people who complain about miles' game decisions don't mention these possibilities.

despite all that, lsu is still second only to bama since saban got there.
This post was edited on 7/19/14 at 7:42 pm
Posted by geauxjo
Gonzales, LA
Member since Sep 2004
15272 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:05 pm to
In my opinion, LSU Miles compared with LSU Saban is close but Miles has done a much more consistent job and is the better coach. The Bama Saban matched up with the LSU Miles, Saban has done a better job. One of the biggest reasons for that is the program Saban took over. Bama has made him as much as he has made Bama. It's just part of the package in what makes a great program. Of course people with an agenda will never buy into this and will continue to think LM is a moron Saban is a god and they could make better decisions than LM.
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:06 pm to
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A fan's hindsight sometimes is smarter than a coach's initial decision.


I laughed
Posted by Louie T
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2006
36582 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 7:22 pm to
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Some measure IQ's with W-2's


That is the worst thing posted in this thread.
Posted by LSUANDY25
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Member since Dec 2012
3087 posts
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:27 pm to
How do u measure it Louie T?

U should come hang out at my club sometime if u think im lying big fella.
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