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re: Why can't good highschool qbs realize that the qb position is the missing link

Posted on 2/8/15 at 12:25 am to
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 12:25 am to
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My list was athletes whose first college exposure was for Miles. He was supposed to list those who Miles developed 


Your list includes:
7 current college players
A MLB pitcher
An NFL WR
A QB who was too fat to keep his scholarship
And 3 QBs who received a look from an NFL team.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 12:26 am to
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theyre just not valid to use in official comparisons


What exactly is official about this discussion? Jefferson's stats all came against Power 5 teams.
Posted by rjokerlsu
Big Spring, TX
Member since Apr 2007
7054 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 12:28 am to
Many of us are not very optimistic about AJ's future prospects. We realize he has a pretty strong work ethic and hope that a full season plus two games experience the previous year will benefit him if he is named the starter.

It seems many, like myself, believe Harris is the best hope of the QB's at LSU now and hope the light comes on for him and his year in the system will have benefitted him.

But in response to the OP, I would hope many would see the QB position is crucial and the missing link--that Miles and Cameron with all their years of experience would be solid enough coaches to do a much better job recognizing and developing the next QB. If not, maybe they don't need to remain in their coaching positions.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 12:35 am to
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Miles either gets the blame and the credit or none of it. He didn't start coaching the QBs personally when Jimbo left.

Once again, Jimbo was already on staff. Miles gets no credit for that

When Jimbo left, Miles was responsible for the new OC and any talent recruited by either of them. RP wasnt coming here, even with Jimbo on staff. Miles went after him. Lee was the only QB that Jimbo recruited under Miles, but never coached

Miles gets the credit for what hes done to the offense, and we are about to see how much credit hes gonna get for what hes done to the defense
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/8/15 at 12:39 am to
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Once again, Jimbo was already on staff. Miles gets no credit for that 


I must have missed the part where a head coach is obligated to honor the contract of a coordinator.

Miles was just as responsible for the retention of Jimbo as he was for the hiring of Crowton and deserves the same credit from each event, whether you believe that to be all of it or none of it.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 12:43 am to
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Jefferson's stats all came against Power 5 teams.

What P5 conf is Western Kentucky in again?

When Lee was ripping NSU, Miles pulled him at halftime. How much time did other QBs get in the WKU game?

So no, its not even remotely a comparable stat line
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 12:48 am to
Whatever dude.
60% completions and 6:1 is still there regardless of how many times he threw the ball.

5/6 were Power 5. As if that makes a difference.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 1:01 am to
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I must have missed the part where a head coach is obligated to honor the contract of a coordinator.

Really? Brick Haley says hi. His contract seems to still be on staff.

So does Jimbos extension, that had already been signed when Saban snuck out the back door

And remember the 'Miles clause' that pissed off Chavis. He wanted to stay even if Miles left

Miles also wanted to bring his def coord, Bill Clay from Ok St. LSU said no. So sometimes coaches have to work with what theyre given
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 1:04 am to
A university can always get out of an assistant coach's contract if it wants to.

I'd like to see anything you have suggesting Les wasnt allowed to hire the DC that he wanted.

All I found was this
quote:

"When Les took the job he told me that he wanted me to come with him and I assumed he meant as defensive coordinator, but he never would tell me specifically what position. That's why when they sent the plane over (from Baton Rouge) for the other assistants I didn't get on it. I told Les I would come over the next day."


quote:

I talked with him by phone the night Miles was hired. He told me that Miles was not going to hire him as DC but did in fact want him to be Dir of FBO. He was not happy but thought it might be a good move at the time. After some time to think it over he really wanted to stay in coaching plus he would be taking a LARGE salary cut. He thought he might could stay at OSU but Gundy brought someone else in. Although I have not talked to him since mid Jan. I assume he wants to try to stay in coaching. I can also add this; Miles had already told Coach Clay that he would not be retained as DC at OSU, but he could stay as linebacker coach. I will try to contact Coach Clay to see what's going on.


But I'm more interested in hearing you defend your "list"
This post was edited on 2/8/15 at 1:20 am
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16049 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 8:46 am to
quote:

Why can't good highschool qbs realize that the qb position is the missing link



your proposition is flawed. We have signed good high school QB's. Jennings and Harris were considered very good QB's coming out of high school as were every other QB we have signed in the past including JL and JJ.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 9:41 am to
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But I'm more interested in hearing you defend your "list"

Well, heres my list again. Only two QBs on that list stuck with LSU for their entire eligibility, and one of those Miles kept on the bench. So Miles own actions say the only QB that he developed in 10 years was JJ

And yet JJs last two games combined were worse than his first game as a true freshman. No one considers that development. Except 'Miles Men'
quote:

Brandon Harris -
Hayden Rettig - left LSU
Anthony Jennings -
Jeremy Liggins - never made it to LSU
Gunnar Kiel - never made it to LSU
Stephen Rivers - left LSU
Jarrard Randall - left LSU
Zach Lee - left LSU
Chris Garrett - left LSU
Russell Shepard - never made it as a QB
Jordan Jefferson - 75 yards passing in last two games, combined
Jarrett Lee - benched for the guy above
Ryan Perrilloux - left LSU

And we are now in the same nightmare scenario again. AJ will start as a Jr, and unless he goes to jail, not even more talented QBs like Mett or Lee will see the field AJs Sr year.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 10:10 am to
It takes YEARS to properly develop a collegiate QB. Your list of QBs who left LSU after two years or less proves nothing regarding development.

Brandon Harris - spent 1 year at LSU
Hayden Rettig - transferred to Rutgers after 1 year
Jeremy Liggins - academically ineligible, never enrolled
Gunner Kiel - went AWOL on EE and went to Notre Dame, now with Cincinnati
Stephen Rivers - transferred to Vanderbilt after 3 years, currently seeking another transfer
Jerrard Randall - transferred to Arizona after 2 years
Zach Lee - accepted $5 million to play in the MLB.
Chris Garrett - LSU revoked his scholarship after 1 year.
Russell Shepard - converted to WR... currently an NFL WR.
Jordan Jefferson - signed to the Tampa Bay 53-man roster in 2012
Jarrett Lee - led the SEC in efficiency in 2011
Ryan Perrilloux - removed from the team after 2 years for discipline

So basically your list amounts to Stephen Rivers. In the 4 years between 2008-2011 (since you want to remove Russell, Flynn, and Mett from the equation), LSU failed to develop one QB that was actually on the roster long enough to do so.

Posted by Tiger Voodoo
Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!
Member since Mar 2007
21846 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 10:27 am to
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League Champs




There is less than a 1% chance that this mook is an actual LSU fan.

And if he is, it's 100% guaranteed he is a complete fricking idiot.
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 10:33 am to
Agreed.
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 10:35 am to
quote:

So basically your list amounts to Stephen Rivers. In the 4 years between 2008-2011 (since you want to remove Russell, Flynn, and Mett from the equation), LSU failed to develop one QB that was actually on the roster long enough to do so. 



He is an idiot. He gives Richt credit for Mett( spent 5 months at uga) but refuses to give miles credit for Flynn and Mett ( both spent 3 years under miles)
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 10:42 am to
He seems to believe that the timeline for the development of any given QB should be one year. A redshirt freshman or sophomore QB should be ready to go.

Never mind that flies in the face of traditional knowledge that a QB isn't typically up to par until his junior year.
This post was edited on 2/8/15 at 10:43 am
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
41954 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 10:43 am to
quote:

There is less than a 1% chance that this mook is an actual LSU fan.


I'm leaning toward this with that guy. No one who associates themselves with a particular team could possibly have that much hate in their heart towards the most successful coach in that team's history if they are actually a fan of the school.

That guy is terrible.
This post was edited on 2/8/15 at 10:54 am
Posted by JaxTiger10
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2014
3893 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 10:44 am to
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Never mind that flies in the face if traditional knowledge that a QB isn't typically up to par until his junior year. 


Right. A qbs biggest jump in production usually happens after his sophomore year. Of course there are outliers and some player are ready earlier
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!
Member since Mar 2007
21846 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 10:58 am to
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Agreed



League Champs registered on 10/31/12, the week of the Bama game.

99.9% he is a Bama troll.

If he's in the .1% he is a poser that didn't become a fan until we were killing everyone in 2011 and is just pissy because the Rematch was his first loss as an LSU "fan".


Eat a dick League Champs. Seriously.
This post was edited on 2/8/15 at 11:05 am
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16049 posts
Posted on 2/8/15 at 11:17 am to
quote:

Les Miles's philosophy is to run the ball and shorten the game. He'd much rather rush for 300 and pass for 100 than vice versa. Nothing wrong with that.



There is something wrong with that if you want to recruit the top high school QB's. Not very attractive situation for them.
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