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re: Why can't good highschool qbs realize that the qb position is the missing link
Posted on 2/6/15 at 8:15 pm to Tigfisher
Posted on 2/6/15 at 8:15 pm to Tigfisher
The answer is mainly because of the stupid arse "fans" on this unfortunately extremely popular and visible board that are a bunch of whiny arse pussies (or just plain alters from opposing fanbases) who don't have the perspective/attention span of a fifth grader spreading paranoia and hatred of of coach out into the world for all the recruits and their parents to see and the media to regurgitate until it becomes the accepted narrative about the program.
Here it is.
Since Les Miles has been the coach at LSU, he put Jamarcus Russell into the NFL as the #1 pick in the draft.
Matt Flynn has been making millions of dollars for seven years and counting.
Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson both failed to make an NFL roster, but both combined to lead LSU to 41 wins in their 4 years as starters and won an undefeated SEC Championship and a NCG appearance where they faced the unfortunate obstacle of the perhaps the best college defense of all time, after beating them on the road four games earlier.
Zack Mettenberger was drafted after one of the best QB seasons in school history despite tearing his ACL in the final regular season game. He started games as a rookie in the NFL.
3 of the 5 full time starters at QB in Miles' tenure have made millions in the NFL, all pplaying under different OCs in their time at LSU.
Jennings and Harris have two and three years left Iin the program, respectively.
QB play by year:
Excellent: 2006, 2007, 2013
Good: 2005, 2009, 2011
Average: 2012
Poor: 2008, 2010, 2014
The Rant, where LSU's dreams come to die
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Pretend you're the well balanced, talented but also smart and quick whitted QB. Other interested recruiters show you what happens to those types of guys at LSU. Now where are you going to go?
Here it is.
Since Les Miles has been the coach at LSU, he put Jamarcus Russell into the NFL as the #1 pick in the draft.
Matt Flynn has been making millions of dollars for seven years and counting.
Jarrett Lee and Jordan Jefferson both failed to make an NFL roster, but both combined to lead LSU to 41 wins in their 4 years as starters and won an undefeated SEC Championship and a NCG appearance where they faced the unfortunate obstacle of the perhaps the best college defense of all time, after beating them on the road four games earlier.
Zack Mettenberger was drafted after one of the best QB seasons in school history despite tearing his ACL in the final regular season game. He started games as a rookie in the NFL.
3 of the 5 full time starters at QB in Miles' tenure have made millions in the NFL, all pplaying under different OCs in their time at LSU.
Jennings and Harris have two and three years left Iin the program, respectively.
QB play by year:
Excellent: 2006, 2007, 2013
Good: 2005, 2009, 2011
Average: 2012
Poor: 2008, 2010, 2014
The Rant, where LSU's dreams come to die
This post was edited on 2/6/15 at 9:03 pm
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Posted on 2/6/15 at 8:39 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:12 pm to JOJO Hammer
Instead of blaming coaching of QB's maybe we should blame OL coaching.
QB's running for their lives rarely are spectacular.
QB's running for their lives rarely are spectacular.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:27 pm to Cadello
Do people really think Jamarcus Russell and Matt Flynn are positive stories to tell recruits?
"Come to LSU, you could be the next worst bust in draft history (but without the millions because of the fixed wage scale for draft picks) or a perennial backup who couldn't make it out of preseason with the fricking Raiders! Feel the excitement!"
"Come to LSU, you could be the next worst bust in draft history (but without the millions because of the fixed wage scale for draft picks) or a perennial backup who couldn't make it out of preseason with the fricking Raiders! Feel the excitement!"
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:29 pm to nf
Wat?
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:33 pm to nf
our fan base are idiots towards our QB's and our offense scheme isn't doing our QB's any favors either
Posted on 2/6/15 at 9:52 pm to Cadello
Not directed at you, just didn't feel like scrolling back to find the guys talking about LSU QBs going to the NFL as if Jamarcus getting a shitload of money and then bombing out spectacularly is a good thing.
Or Matt Flynn being perennially mediocre. If we're recruiting dudes whose biggest desire is to hold a clipboard in the NFL he might be a good example.
But really kids don't want to come here because the offense has mostly been a wet fart for the past seven years and its hard to get excited about being responsible for orchestrating 400 toss dives a season.
Or Matt Flynn being perennially mediocre. If we're recruiting dudes whose biggest desire is to hold a clipboard in the NFL he might be a good example.
But really kids don't want to come here because the offense has mostly been a wet fart for the past seven years and its hard to get excited about being responsible for orchestrating 400 toss dives a season.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 10:01 pm to SpqrTiger
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This is the most important position on the field and we go into too many years with too few options and too little competition.
They really wanted Mason Rudolph last year (the guy who played for Ok State), but he wasn't interested. They were going to bring in him and Harris. Jennings, Rivers, and Rettig were already here at that time. They even had a 3 star walk on in Brandon Bergeron. shite fell through. Just like in 2011 when they brought in Randall, Rivers, and Mett.
This is what LSU has brought in the past 5 years, and in 2015
2010 3* pro Lee
2011 3* pro Rivers, 4* dual Randall, 4* JUCO Mett
2012 4* transfer Bolden
2013 4* pro Rettig, 4* pro Jennings
2014 4* dual Harris
2015 3* dual McMillan
Lee, Rettig, Rivers, Randall, and Bolden all split and only one played at least a snap in a real game for LSU.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 10:12 pm to TigerAlum93
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I think as we attempt more passes, we will get more QB interest. It IS a great place to come and win, but most QB's want to throw it more than 14 times a game. QB's are coming out of these spread offenses in high school where they are throwing it 60 times a game. The NFL is now a "passing" league. We will probably never throw it that much, but if we can throw it 30 times a game I think it will get easier to attract them.
Throwing it 30 times a game is a lot actually. That's nearly 400 passes in 13 games. I agree though that this is a major part of the problem. Our offense does not scream "hey top level QB, come play for us". Sure we have tons of receiver skill, but when you're throwing it 320 times out of tight formations with a bunch of one receiver routes, it does not interest these kids. Harris came here for Cam and because he was a Louisiana boy. Cam has to open up this offense. We are way too stale.
A three WR set and throwing it 30 times a game can do that. Of course we need a competent QB, but with 3 WRs and a TE like Smith or Washington on the field at all times, it would help immensely even for a QB like Jennings. Playing a little more in shotgun would as well. We can still run it 40-42 times a game as well. Hell in 2007, we averaged 75 plays a game, and that was before that became normal.
This post was edited on 2/6/15 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 2/6/15 at 10:28 pm to nf
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Come to LSU, you could be the next worst bust in draft history (but without the millions because of the fixed wage scale for draft picks) or a perennial backup who couldn't make it out of preseason with the fricking Raiders! Feel the excitement!"
Wow lol, you are dumb arse frick!!! Jimbo has been telling all his guys that they can be the next Russell, Ponder, Manuel, and now Winston. First round QBs who have made millions of dollars. You know what the first 3 have in common, they all sucked arse in the NFL.
Or take Meyer for example. Come be the next Smith, Tebow, and at least one of his 3 QBs that have played will be a top 3 round pick. Both positions are loaded, yet they keep getting tons of guys to go there. Neither Meyer or Smith were worth a shite in the NFL (Smith is finally mediocre and only became serviceable after getting with Harbaugh).
Who cares what they do in the NFL? These kids see the draft picks and millions.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 11:32 pm to Datbayoubengal
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Wow lol, you are dumb arse frick!!! Jimbo has been telling all his guys that they can be the next Russell, Ponder, Manuel, and now Winston. First round QBs who have made millions of dollars. You know what the first 3 have in common, they all sucked arse in the NFL.
Or take Meyer for example. Come be the next Smith, Tebow, and at least one of his 3 QBs that have played will be a top 3 round pick. Both positions are loaded, yet they keep getting tons of guys to go there. Neither Meyer or Smith were worth a shite in the NFL (Smith is finally mediocre and only became serviceable after getting with Harbaugh).
Who cares what they do in the NFL? These kids see the draft picks and millions.
The kids we're recruiting now were 10 when Russell was drafted. That's half a lifetime ago to them and half of them won't ever have seen him play. God forbid they google him and learn what a gigantic waste of talent he was. He was drafted in the first by the Raiders, a team that made notoriously dumb draft choices and paid a huge contract that it would be impossible for any first round pick to get now because of the fixed wage scale for rookies. He's basically responsible for WHY huge rookie contracts are no longer a thing. He's a cautionary tale, not an aspirational one.
Matt Flynn was drafted in the 7th round. Zach Mettenberger was drafted in the 6th round. Players drafted in the 6th and 7th rounds are overwhelmingly likely to be out of the league within a year or two and will have made less than 1 million total in their time there.
Jimbo Fisher and Urban Meyer are getting good recruits because they have a history of producing good offenses and good college QBs. Les Miles doesn't have any such history, in fact LSU has largely been average to bad at the QB position since Jimbo left. Pointing to shite that happened in 2007 doesn't change that and thinking recruits care about that is hilarious.
Also hilarious is thinking that a) the top college players in the country aren't super competitive and are totally just playing to get a big NFL contract and immediately flame out or hold a clipboard for Aaron Rodgers and b) that we would actually want players for whom that was their long term goal.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 11:36 pm to nf
Again an improved OL will pay dividends.
We have a chance to have that next year.
Matt Flynn was an average QB with a good head on his shoulders.
He helped win the NC.
That OL was pretty damn good.
We have a chance to have that next year.
Matt Flynn was an average QB with a good head on his shoulders.
He helped win the NC.
That OL was pretty damn good.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:03 am to Cadello
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Matt Flynn was an average QB with a good head on his shoulders.
He helped win the NC.
That OL was pretty damn good.
An averageQB who's about to make an NFL roster for the 8th straight year?
He was a pretty gifted QB
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He was drafted in the first by the Raiders, a team that made notoriously dumb draft choices and paid a huge contract that it would be impossible for any first round pick to get now because of the fixed wage scale for rookies
He was the consensus top pick after his pro day
This post was edited on 2/7/15 at 1:05 am
Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:15 am to TigerBait1127
Quarterbacks today want to do what quarterbacks do. Throw the ball. Les Miles is a hard headed stubborn run the ball 75% of the time coach. Kids have TV's. They watch programs where the Quarterbacks throw the ball for over 300 yards a game every week. Now ask me again why LSU is finding it hard to get a true pro style quarterback. Les calls them burdens. He wants to run Bo's offense. And it doesn't matter what the name of the offensive coordinators name is, they are told what the play book will consist of.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 1:47 am to nf
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The kids we're recruiting now were 10 when Russell was drafted. That's half a lifetime ago to them and half of them won't ever have seen him play. God forbid they google him and learn what a gigantic waste of talent he was. He was drafted in the first by the Raiders, a team that made notoriously dumb draft choices and paid a huge contract that it would be impossible for any first round pick to get now because of the fixed wage scale for rookies. He's basically responsible for WHY huge rookie contracts are no longer a thing. He's a cautionary tale, not an aspirational one. Matt Flynn was drafted in the 7th round. Zach Mettenberger was drafted in the 6th round. Players drafted in the 6th and 7th rounds are overwhelmingly likely to be out of the league within a year or two and will have made less than 1 million total in their time there. Jimbo Fisher and Urban Meyer are getting good recruits because they have a history of producing good offenses and good college QBs. Les Miles doesn't have any such history, in fact LSU has largely been average to bad at the QB position since Jimbo left. Pointing to shite that happened in 2007 doesn't change that and thinking recruits care about that is hilarious. Also hilarious is thinking that a) the top college players in the country aren't super competitive and are totally just playing to get a big NFL contract and immediately flame out or hold a clipboard for Aaron Rodgers and b) that we would actually want players for whom that was their long term goal.
What the hell does all this garbage have to do with what I replied to? The majority of these kids ultimate goal, is to go to the NFL, especially the really high ranked ones. I don't give a frick what the wage scale is now, you could use the fact that you sent QBs to the first round. Once they hit the NFL, it's all on them from that point forward.
I was in no way trying to use what Russell did 10 years ago for LSU, but in your post I first replied to, you act as if it's negative for Jimbo to use Russell. Jadeveon Clowney might wash out as well, but you don't think South Carolina is preaching come be the next Clowney? Have you seen their DE haul this year??? What about Claiborne who most football fans consider a huge bust, you think our coaches aren't preaching come be the next Peterson/Claiborne, and get drafted in the top 10 overall? Are you stupid???
Posted on 2/7/15 at 3:03 am to nf
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Not directed at you, just didn't feel like scrolling back to find the guys talking about LSU QBs going to the NFL as if Jamarcus getting a shitload of money and then bombing out spectacularly is a good thing.
Lsu qb that made it to the nfl,dumbass.
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Or Matt Flynn being perennially mediocre. If we're recruiting dudes whose biggest desire is to hold a clipboard in the NFL he might be a good example.
Lsu qb that made it to the nfl, dumbass.
Facts prove youre ignorant.
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But really kids don't want to come here because the offense has mostly been a wet fart for the past seven years a
bullshite. Stop regurgitating what some dumbass on here posted.
2007,2009,2011,2013 offenses were good.
I hate our ignorant fan base.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 3:04 am to boxcar willie
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our fan base are idiots towards our QB's and our offense scheme isn't doing our QB's any favors either
You repeatedly saying this doesn't make it true. There is nothing wrong with our scheme. Its a pro style offense. Youve proved you don't know what youre talking about.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 3:07 am to nf
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Les Miles doesn't have any such history, in fact LSU has largely been average to bad at the QB position since Jimbo left
Facts prove you wrong. We had good qb play in 2007,2009,2011,&2014 dont let facts get in the way of you looking ignorant.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 3:09 am to Datbayoubengal
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was in no way trying to use what Russell did 10 years ago for LSU, but in your post I first replied to, you act as if it's negative for Jimbo to use Russell. Jadeveon Clowney might wash out as well, but you don't think South Carolina is preaching come be the next Clowney? Have you seen their DE haul this year??? What about Claiborne who most football fans consider a huge bust, you think our coaches aren't preaching come be the next Peterson/Claiborne, and get drafted in the top 10 overall? Are you stupid??
Yes he is stupid. During Miles tenure lsu has put as many qbs in the nfl as any sec program. What they do once they get there is on them.
Posted on 2/7/15 at 5:16 am to JaxTiger10
we averaged 250 yards per game passing WITH Mett at QB and with OBJ and Landry to throw to. Didn't exactly light it up. Pretty pedestrian compared to what a lot of schools are doing these days with much less to work with. Not a lot there to entice a great high school QB who wants to show off what he can do.
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