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re: Who was LSU's last "freak" (athlete)?

Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:30 pm to
Posted by Coon
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:30 pm to
well what makes casanova a "freak"?
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:31 pm to
Laron is 6'1 213lbs, runs a 4.35, has a 38 inch vertical and could bench 225 God knows how many times.

Not only was he a superb athlete as far as strength, speed, quickness, etc. go, but he put it together on the field. Laron wasn't the same type of "player" as a guy like Eric Berry is, but he isn't Taylor Mays either. There is actually some talent beyond his muscles. His stats at LSU only back up his "freakish" abilities.

You basically want to shoot down everyone's idea of a freak athlete, but saying LaRon or Peterson is a safe bet.
Posted by Javzz
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:33 pm to
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Not only was he a superb athlete as far as strength, speed, quickness, etc. go, but he put it together on the field. Laron wasn't the same type of "player" as a guy like Eric Berry is, but he isn't Taylor Mays either. There is actually some talent beyond his muscles. His stats at LSU only back up his "freakish" abilities.


Look back and see how many completions past 20 yards were completed on USC last year. Taylor Mays is a big part of that.
Posted by Housplants
Germantown, TN
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:35 pm to
I never said Webster was the fastest cornerback...I said he was the last truely exceptional "athlete" that has played for LSU.

PP may end up being as good or better, but it is difficult to make that case after last season. We have a couple of other current players that may prove to be the type of overall athlete that Webster was, such as C Jones and Shepperd...but they have not proven it yet.

Webster was not only an interception machine, he could have played at least 5 other positions and played them well, and he would have been our best return guy if he had been asked to do it. During the spring game before his senior year, he was the best athlete on the field, and it wasn't close, IMHO. You have to be pretty special to stand out like that on LSUs team.

BTW, how many picks did PP have last season? He has to prove some things before being listed as an alltime great at LSU. BTW, I am hopeful that he will.
Posted by tigerbyteu
Caldwell Parish
Member since Dec 2004
1689 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:37 pm to
The freak will be back on the field this season.
As another poster said, speed, strenght, free safety + 90 mph fb, and any other pitch asked for. I hate to call him a freak, but it is in a good way.
Chad Jones has it all. Hard to imagine anyone with this much talent. He will pick his trade and will excell at either or both !!
Posted by LA007
Monroe
Member since Nov 2008
1778 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:38 pm to
quote:

You basically want to shoot down everyone's idea of a freak athlete, but saying LaRon or Peterson is a safe bet.


No I don't. LaRon was awesome in every category. I certainly would not suggest as the OP that you have to go back to T. Cassanova for pete's sake.
Posted by tigerfan4120
Member since Dec 2003
3264 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:38 pm to
Xavier Carter was a freak. He just happened to not be a very good football player.
Posted by LA007
Monroe
Member since Nov 2008
1778 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:41 pm to
I don't disagree with you. Webster made more plays on the ball... but, in my opinion, P.P. is as good or better in coverage of WRs, strictly speaking.
Posted by CreoleAubie
NC
Member since Sep 2008
2910 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:42 pm to
Has anyone said Chris Jackson in this thread (it's too fricking long for me to read it all)? He gets my vote if we are considering all sports at LSU. Dude was the best shooter I've ever seen.
Posted by CreoleAubie
NC
Member since Sep 2008
2910 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:44 pm to
BUT, Billy Cannon was a freak as well....even for today's RB standards, the dude was pretty stout at 6'1" and 220 lbs. And he ran like a deer. (Again, if someone said this already, forgive me.)
Posted by LA007
Monroe
Member since Nov 2008
1778 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:44 pm to
No one has mentioned him... I guess we're mostly thinking f/ball, although someone mentioned Shaq. C.J. would be solid top 10 on my list.
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:45 pm to
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No I don't. LaRon was awesome in every category. I certainly would not suggest as the OP that you have to go back to T. Cassanova for pete's sake.


I was referring to SFP, my bad.
Posted by Genghis Khan
Mongolia
Member since Nov 2008
1684 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:49 pm to
Roovelroe Swan

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Posted by LA007
Monroe
Member since Nov 2008
1778 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:54 pm to
Posted by lob1284
Houma by birth
Member since Mar 2006
4946 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:55 pm to
Alonzo Manuel ran a 4.49 at 6'3 250, but he was a terrible football player.
Posted by jledet
Panhandle
Member since Jan 2008
4922 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 7:59 pm to
i concur that xavier carter is a freak athlete
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12719 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 8:24 pm to
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it's not my fault that LSU doesn't sign/develop many freak athletes
Of course it's not your fault. It's nobody's fault because it isn't the case. LSU does sign and develop many freakish athletes. What is your fault is that you have fabricated an absurdly irrelevant definition of "athleticism" (so absurdly irrelevant that you yourself have gone so far as to insist that your definition of "athlete" has nothing whatsoever to do with the ability to play football), that you can exclude every reasonable example of a freakish athlete that has played football for LSU in the last few decades.

JaMarcus Russell, Trindon Holliday, Xavier Carter, LaRon Landry and many others were all freakishly athletic, by any rational definition whatsoever. Only someone deliberately seeking to advance an agenda (even one of simply stirring shite up) would attempt to deny it.

Posted by Sull
Tulip, LA
Member since Aug 2006
3941 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 8:24 pm to
Doug Planchard
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12719 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 8:30 pm to
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how "athletic" you are doesn't mean "how skilled are you?" or "how good of a player are you?"
Given this, and -- since you have already asserted that "athleticism" in your definition has nothing to do with ability to play football, how exactly does this thread fit into the Tigerrant subject matter? It has nothing to do with LSU football (since athleticism has nothing to do with playing football in your world), and you've excluded any other sport. So this clearly bears no relation to any LSU sport; why is it on the Rant? Shouldn't this be an OT board thread?

Or to put it another way: since athleticism has nothing to do with ability to play football, why in the hell should anybody care whether we ever sign what you would define as a "freak athlete"?

On the other hand, it was nice for you to FINALLY come around and acknowlege that the combine results are absolutely zero reflection on the talent, ability or development of the players at LSU, and are thus not something anyone should ever give a flying frick about.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12719 posts
Posted on 8/9/09 at 8:32 pm to
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travis henry was a good example. small, short, not fast, but he was a natural runner

that's not physical ability. that's mental shite and doesn't belong in this debate
So balance, reaction time, vision, coordination, body control . . . these are no longer physical abilities?

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