re: Who was a better coach while at LSU, Dale Brown or Charlie Mac?

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1981 was a NC caliber bball team that got screwed over

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If by "screwed over" you mean "anally raped by a superior Indiana team" then, yes.

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What is the significance of 6,3,6,0,7,7,0,18,6,0,0 - in LSU history?

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Points the D gave up. Was it 1963?


Edit: It was 1962 and your 18 should be a 15. 34 points given up in an entire season, including a shutout of a 9-0-1 #4 ranked Texas in the Cotton Bowl. Damn.

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No - it was 1958 - when Mac was the DC - (and the 18 was a blowout, so I'm sure that was against subs).

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Go look at 1962
Year: 1962
Overall: 9-1-1 SEC: 5-1
Coach: Charles McClendon
Bowl: Cotton Bowl


Sept 22 Texas A & M W 21-0 Baton Rouge

Sept 29 Rice T 6-6 Baton Rouge

Oct 6 Georgia Tech W 10-7 Atlanta

Oct 13 Miami (Fla) W 17-3 Baton Rouge

Oct 20 Kentucky W 7-0 Lexington

Oct 27 Florida W 23-0 Baton Rouge

Nov 3 Ole Miss L 7-15 Baton Rouge

Nov 10 TCU W 5-0 Baton Rouge

Nov 17 Mississippi State W 28-0 Jackson

Nov 24 Tulane W 38-3 New Orleans

Cotton Bowl
Jan 1 Texas W 13-0 Dallas
Previous Year Decades Next Year

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Go look at 1962

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Mac's first year as HC - a championship caliber team, but the freakin Rice tie - I think it would have been arguable had we beaten them and still lost to Ole Miss - but that was a helluva team - 13-0 Cotton Bowl win over a Darrel Royal Longhorns squad that finished #4 in the country.

1969 was legit, too. Even that late - a defense only giving up ~5 points per game. Freakin' 1 field goal at Jackson - - if we'd just tied Ole Miss, we would have played Texas in the Cotton (again) instead of ND. An old fashioned screwin' is what we got that year.

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Daddy Dale made LSU a national power,

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No he didn't. He had Shaq, Stanley Roberts, and Chris Jackson on a team and was not a "national power". In fact, that team didn't make the Sweet 16.

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Well, Dale certainly underachieved in the NCAA tourney that year with CJ, Shaq, Roberts, etc. But the Georgia Tech team they lost too was awesome too. They had four dudes that got drafted by the NBA (#2, #4, #27 and #32 picks). Kenny Anderson, Dennis Scott and Brian Oliver were the only three guys on one team to average 20+ points per game in ACC History. That's strong! And they had the all-time GT leading rebounder on that team to go with the others. That was a great game...tough loss. GT went on to the Final Four where they lost to eventual champ, UNLV (who was unbelievable).

I guess "national power" is subjective...they didn't always win like a top 10 team or anything though. They weren't a Duke or Kentucky. But as an overall program, it was nationally powerful. He took LSU to 10 straight NCAA tourneys (including a Final Four and Elite 8 during that span). Few coaches have ever done than and not many teams have done it. After the 1986 regional at the PMAC, the rules were changed so teams couldn't play on their home court because people felt it was too much of an advantage for LSU (who was not close to being the highest seed). They were consistent winners, their style was exciting and the crowds were awesome.

And I believe LSU still holds three of the top four or five spots for the largest attendance ever for regular season college basketball games with the 60,000+ crowds in the Dome. They held the #1 spot for a long time.

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Fire away, am I wrong?

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Youre certainly biased

To denigrate DB for the major violation that was based on a lie, is telling

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"I was 19 years old at that time. The NCAA intimidated me, manipulated me into making up things, and basically encouraged me to lie, in order to be able to finish my playing career at Kansas."

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Not even close. Cholly was good guy but took over "almost elite" program and kept it just below that status forevermore. Dale took over program in the toilet and made it into elite status program that could attract the very best players in the country. Lester Earl incident was all a lie as admitted by Earl himself... instigated by NCAA nazis to get back at Dale for sticking their dictatorial policies up their butts.

Daddy Dale...it's not close.

Overall, Dale Brown was a personality that made LSU relevant on the national scene when they otherwise shouldn't have been based on performance.

Thanks for all the thoughts, this one above is well stated. I guess this was at least from these posts, a fair question, although most vote dale over CM it is close. As far as the probation being lies, I understand that but have to say that there is no way we ever really know and in the end it WAS UNDER DB and did hurt us. Still no arguing with the point above. And again, as LSU fan am very thankful for what both did for LSU. I think we alos are seeing how hard it is to win at LSU BB wise...on third coach since DB and it is a struggle.

Bob Brodhead was Duke QB

wow, never knew that....small world