re: Who loves Miles??

He is a darn good coach. He slipped a little as we all do hell he is human but he will bring this team back.

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Youre preaching to the choir man, I am not a Les Miles #1 supporter by any stretch. All i said was it would look bad to other top level coaches (potential replacements) if he were to be fired soon after winning the trophy

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I see where you're coming from, but I just don't think coaches worry much about that. They know the business they're in. They know they have to produce or they're gone. They know that big buyouts and high salaries are their only protection if they don't consistently produce the results that are expected. I think, after the salary, their perception of the overall resources of the program, the talent on the roster now, plus the available talent for recruiting, are much more important considerations for them than any worries about whether the school treated the previous coach fairly.

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it SHOULD be, but thats not how it works.

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It's starting to at some places. You could make a very strong argument that Shula at Alabama, Bowden at Auburn, Donnan at Georgia, Zook at Florida and Nutt at Arkansas were all treated unfairly, but highly desired coaches still weren't worried about that and came to those schools anyway. Yes, I know none of them won the NC, but the principle is still the same. They didn't "deserve" to be fired, if it were, in fact, a moral issue. The point, however, was that it wasn't a moral issue. The schools made business decisions and got what they wanted.

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..and unfortunately, the loudest.

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And unfortunately one can only say, "He won a National Championship and he recruits well" so often.

Choctaw,
Do you think this

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Since the players Nick Saban recruited has left, Les Miles record is 17-9. His first 3 years, his record is 34-6

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is a coincidence?

i always loved miles....... however when i was at the ole Miss game last year.. I lost that loving feeling!


Just saying ... but you have to have a short term memory loss when it comes to this so I am back on board... Love him!

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is a coincidence?

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yes. It coincides with having to start two young, inexperienced QBs behind a weak o-line. New coach, new staff, new team. Blame Miles for everything, give him credit for nothing.

The players that were on the '07 team had absolutely nothing to do with Saban. The one year they spent with Saban they didn't even see the field...they spent 3 years under Miles in which they did see the field. Who do you think had more of an influence on them? Does Stoops, Meyer, or Saban need to give credit to the previous coaches for their NCs?

If you honestly think Saban had anything to do with it then its simply because your hatred for Miles is preventing you from seeing otherwise.

You're basically saying those players could have won 10-12 games a year by themselves just because they happened to be under Saban for awhile.....now doesn't that sound stupid when you think about it?

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Miles isnt THAT bad to be put in the same category as the Zooker, cmon now

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Zook wasn't as bad as the perception of him was. Maybe that's also true of Miles. I don't think Florida was as loaded with talent when he took over as everyone assumed it was. Spurrier had great teams, and certainly knew how to coach them, but recruiting was never really his favorite activity. That's not to say they didn't have a lot of talent when Spurrier left, but it might have been a little overrated because Spurrier was such a good strategist.

Certainly in terms of accomplishments, Miles has outperformed anything Zook did, but at least part of that had to do with the teams they inherited. And the patience of the ADs they worked for.

Don't forget how he held this program, team and fans together under the most difficult circumstances post Katrina (not to mention pretty good record); deserves a lot of good will IMO

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Not quite. Go find a game where Saban let 17 seconds roll off the clock and resulted in a loss where we ran out of time.

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Okay, go find one where Miles allowed a kid who had not caught a touchdown pass all year catch a touchdown to end the game/season/tenure at LSU.

Or find one where Miles allowed a C-USA team, in its 5th Season in Division I-A, beat him at home.

Amazing what cherry-picking statistics to support your position can do, huh?

Nice try, though...

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It seems that it will take another Championship for fans to finally accept Miles. He's a standup guy... no rumors about his personal life outside of football. This guy is a diehard. It feels good to have one of us down there coaching our boys -- win or lose.

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The Saban lovers will NEVER accept Miles-- NEVER. The cult of personality is so sick that in their minds, LSU fired Saban to hire Miles. Forget the fact that it is not true. Forget the fact that, by every objective measure, Miles has been MORE successful at LSU than Saban was at LSU. They do not think or reason, they simply feel.

There is plenty of ammo to use against Les - he's certainly not perfect. However, one of the best things about him, for me, is that he is not Saban.