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re: Who here agreed with pulmonary with the pitching (from the beginning of the game)?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 2:42 am to theantiquetiger
Posted on 6/8/21 at 2:42 am to theantiquetiger
Marceaux gives up a double at the end or Thompson gets out with no balk called, are you saying the same? Getting lucky doesn’t mean the right calls were made all night. Mainieri has a crystal ball somewhere that said we can give up exactly 8 and don’t worry the last two base runners definitely won’t score?
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 2:45 am to theantiquetiger
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The odds of the other team scoring after a “sign of trouble” skyrockets.
The odds of the other team scoring skyrockets when you take out a pitcher who’s comfortable and in command for luck of the draw. Guys who never got comfortable in the first place gave up runs when Hilliard or Hellman could have been pitching scoreless innings.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 2:49 am to BayouBlogger
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Marceaux gives up a double at the end or Thompson gets out with no balk called, are you saying the same? Getting lucky doesn’t mean the right calls were made all night. Mainieri has a crystal ball somewhere that said we can give up exactly 8 and don’t worry the last two base runners definitely won’t score?
I’m saying he played our best option. It usually takes two innings to figure out a pitcher. If he kept in Hilliard and Hellmers in until they got into trouble, LSU would have lost. The middle relievers were going to get into trouble, so he bet it all on us staying in the game until the 7th/8th, then big in the big guns.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 2:50 am to BayouBlogger
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Marceaux gives up a double at the end or Thompson gets out with no balk called, are you saying the same?
Hellmers gives up a HR after he walks the batter and Thompson his a 3 run HR after Oregon ends up not balking. We could do this all day.
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Mainieri has a crystal ball somewhere that said we can give up exactly 8 and don’t worry the last two base runners definitely won’t score?
BayouBlogger has a crystal ball that says Hilliard and Hellmers would have both done well going more innings and that Fontenot would have closed the game better than Marceaux and not given up any runs. Which one works better? Which one should we trust?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 2:51 am to BayouBlogger
The odds of the other team scoring also goes up as the pool of guys you can trust with the ball gets smaller. Most pitchers stayed out there after signs of trouble. We would have had more leeway if Edwards or Floyd struggled later in the game.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 2:52 am to GoneFishing21
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BayouBlogger has a crystal ball that says Hilliard and Hellmers would have both done well going more innings
I don’t have a crystal ball. That’s why I’m not saying it’s ok to mess with a good thing as long as you haven’t given up 8 yet.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 2:54 am to GoneFishing21
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Hellmers gives up a HR after he walks the batter and Thompson his a 3 run HR after Oregon ends up not balking. We could do this all day.
Yeah apparently you can miss the point all night
Posted on 6/8/21 at 2:54 am to BayouBlogger
You implied that Hilliard and Hellmers would have continued throwing scoreless innings when Oregon is a good hitting team and hard to hold down. You also implied Fontenot would have done better closing than Marceaux. You don’t know any of those things.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 2:58 am
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:00 am to GoneFishing21
I only implied waiting until they showed some weakness before gambling on someone else right away. Marceaux was having the signs of trouble we talked about. We had enough reliable pitching for the one or two outs left. That wasn’t the case with 24 outs left or however many when they pulled Hellman.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:02 am to GoneFishing21
Basically CPM threw Hilliard and Hellmers to give Oregon only seven innings at bat, betting they would go 3 up / 3 down. That’s taking away over 20% of their chances to score. We had 9 innings at bat (only needed 8), against their 7 innings at bat.
How do the non baseball minds don’t understand this. They had one job, get three outs each without giving up a run
How do the non baseball minds don’t understand this. They had one job, get three outs each without giving up a run
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 3:06 am
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:03 am to BayouBlogger
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Hellmers gives up a HR after he walks the batter
You can take him out after he walks a batter. That might not be until two or three innings later. That avoids using pitchers who aren’t high on your list of ideal pitchers to use.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:05 am to BayouBlogger
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You can take him out after he walks a batter.
He did walk a batter. One of our three walks on the night. Should he have been pulled then? Hilliard had one of the other ones. See we pulled him before his command could hurt us.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 3:07 am
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:06 am to theantiquetiger
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We had 9 innings at bat (only needed 8), against their 7 innings at bat.
And still nearly let them tie or take the lead. If we win 14-13 are you still going to be here saying it was great pitching choices? 20-19? Is there any football score we could win by where you wouldn’t be blowing Mainieri for being the pitcher whisperer?
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 3:11 am
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:09 am to GoneFishing21
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Should he have been pulled then?
I meant after the point where Paul actually took him out. Instead of just taking him out, he could have said to himself, “next time he starts to struggle,” and given the next guy more time. You two clearly can’t have an intelligent conversation about this.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:11 am to BayouBlogger
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You two clearly can’t have an intelligent conversation about this.
No I guess not without having your crystal ball.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:14 am to GoneFishing21
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No I guess not without having your crystal ball.
Never said I had one, dumbass. Paul made several decisions that lessened the likelihood of a win. In hindsight it’s hard to score 9 and lose, but Pawl made a valiant effort to do just that.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 3:17 am
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:16 am to BayouBlogger
Every pitcher who struggles should not have been pitching according to the rant. There was a game plan to get to the back end. It just so happens that is not easy to do that against a good hitting team like we were facing. Some games you go out and your ace shuts someone out for 9 innings. Other times, you’re playing your 5th game in four days and trying to piece it together to get to the best pitchers to finish the end of the game. That is a conversation. It’s just not what you want to hear.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:18 am to BayouBlogger
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Never said I had one, dumbass
No you just knew that Edwards couldn’t get a double play ball and Hellmers could. Hellmers was going to continue to pitch scoreless innings just like Hilliard. Fontenot was going to come in and have more control than Marceaux for once and give us a better chance even though they saw him for two innings last night. No you don’t have a crystal ball, you just know these things. PM is the one with the crystal ball. Got it.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:20 am to GoneFishing21
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There was a game plan to get to the back end.
It would have been a better game plan to use fewer pitchers to get there. Not every pitcher we used was adequately rested to pitch even one good inning and ready for prime time.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 3:22 am to BayouBlogger
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Not every pitcher we used was adequately rested to pitch even one good inning and ready for prime time.
Including Hilliard and Fontenot, but you wanted both of them to be in.
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