re: Who has a bigger impact on the game, Cliff Harris or Tyrann Mathieu?

Harris is not that good of a returner. His stats are inflated by out running the slow white boys of Portland State and UNM.

Idk what it is about Pac-10 special teams, but they are just garbage. Return man had time to field the ball and take 3-4 steps before the first man got to him. I was ASU and Wash both have "punt right" on and their punter booted the ball to the left Cliff Harris is an impressive corner. Not so much of a return man IMHO.

I think most people in this thread are looking at it like who's the better player. As I said before, I would still take TM. But really it's irrelevant who's better for the argument of who will make more of an impact. Not always does the best player make the biggest impact.

TM will probably have more chances to make plays. Simple as that. I doubt LSU will be kicking directly to Harris much. It's not like LSU doesn't know what he's capable of. I also don't think they will throw his direction much. Because they won't throw much at all and when they do it probably won't be in the direction of Harris since there is easier prey to pick on in the Duck secondary.

Now on the other side of the field will UO kick away from TM? Probably not. He isn't as proven as Harris is on the return game. TM, if indeed he is the returner, will get his chances. I also don't know if they'll throw away from TM. Probably not because the rest of the secondary is pretty stout too. So again I think TM will get his chances. I still see TM getting his chances on the blitzes too. The few games I saw UO last year, and on utube, I don't see any blitzing from Harris. So I don't think Harris has those chances to make an impact.

TM should have a lot more chances to make an impact. And before you UO fans start crying... I already said that has NOTHING to do with who the better player is.

The thing I think that makes Tyrann so much different then most corners is he isn't afraid. A lot of plays he made last year most corners would have sat back and just made the tackle on the player. Tyrann lays out and tries to knock that ball away.

I do think Cliff Harris will make a bigger impact on the game. More experienced. And LSU may try and pass the ball more then Oregon will. Though LSU will need Tyrann probably to step up in the game.

He's a consensus all-american because he had 5 PR TD's. The press doesn't watch or care who those are against. If you honestly believe that a team who gave up .08 yards a return last season should hold their breath against Cliff Harris, then i really don't know what to tell you.

Unlike PSU & UNM, LSU puts its very best players on special teams. That's one department LSU puts a shite ton of focus on, and that's one dept every LSU fan feels more than comfortable about.

But looking back, i digress. Those might have been UNM & PSU's best athletes and in that case, I'm even less impressed.

He's a good corner. Great ball instincts and great closing speed. I'm just not impressed by him as a CB

7thWard, he also had pleny of dynamic returns against good teams. I am sure LSU will be the best special teams we face all year. However, it doesn't detract from the fact that Oregon will be the most dynamic you face as well. Again, Oregon puts a huge emphasis on this as well. During the srping game Urban was amazed that we ran special teams live in practice.

Exactly, PP7 didn't return 5 and had enough chances to to so. Housing a punt is a feat no matter who you are playing. To do so 5x in a season is electric.

Btw, Harris is said to have made a a leap in maturation this offseason. Remember, this is a kid that had his redshirt pulled in '09 half way through the season when we played UCLA. That was a year and half ago. He will be a true junior next year and had 5 returns playing his first full season. Just to give you more prespective, he missed all of fall camp getting cleared by the NCAA.

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Exactly, PP7 didn't return 5 and had enough chances to to so. Housing a punt is a feat no matter who you are playing. To do so 5x in a season is electric.

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Did you see who the frick they was playing against.

Here's a nice reality check for you.

1. Oregon had 5 PR tds. All five was against FBS non winning programs
2. Cliff Harris & Kenyon Barner will be none factors against LSU, mainly because they will be fair catching the ball all night.
3. LSU hasn't given up a PR TD since 2007. 3 years my friend. And that includes punts against Javier Arenas, Dexter McCluster, and Percy Harvin.

CHAMPIONSHIP

Further perspective

LSU punted 55 times last season. 12. TWELVE were returned. Those twevle was returned for a TOTAL of 59 yards. 59.