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re: Which coach would you rather lead your program, Dabo or BK?
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:03 pm to JimTiger72
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:03 pm to JimTiger72
Well they have lost their ladt two opening games by a total of 50 points so there's that.
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Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:09 pm to LSBoosie
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Sure, but you can say basically the same thing about BK. BK hasn't been the elite level guy since JD left. Maybe the main thing holding Clemson back is his mindset on NIL and the transfer portal. Which to be honest is the similar mindset that BK had up until 8 months ago. We'll see how this season plays out. I think LSU should end up being the better team by the end of the year.
Dabo post Venables and Lawrence to Kelly at LSU is a pretty flawed comparison. Dabo reached the pinnacle and, at the to this point, has seemingly failed to adapt to the new cfb world adequately enough to maintain that level of excellence. Kelly is still trying to get LSU there. It's not apples to apples.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:13 pm to TheDeathValley
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Dabo has two titles, but coached in 4 championship games (in a five year span)
I don't think anyone is denying that Dabo had as good of a stretch as anyone for that period of time. The argument is that that time has seemingly passed him by and he hasn't adapted in a manner that gives hope that he will bring them back to that level. Maybe this year will be the case but people are giving Dabo a ton of credit for making the playoffs last year when they beat a bunch of tomato cans and lost to everyone with a pulse. Clemson would've been a 5 loss team minimum in the SEC last year.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:16 pm to JiminyCricket
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Dabo post Venables and Lawrence to Kelly at LSU is a pretty flawed comparison. Dabo reached the pinnacle and, at the to this point, has seemingly failed to adapt to the new cfb world adequately enough to maintain that level of excellence. Kelly is still trying to get LSU there. It's not apples to apples.
Sure, which is why the comparison in general is dumb. But you are currently saying that the guy that was in the CFB playoff last year has failed to adapt.
This post was edited on 8/4/25 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:25 pm to LSBoosie
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Sure, which is why the comparison in general is dumb.
It's not a dumb comparison in general, it was a flawed metric for determining the comparison. Here's the reality of Dabo vs Kelly the last 3 years since Kelly has been at LSU.
Combined W/L Brian Kelly: 29-11
Combined W/L Dabo Swinney: 30-11
LSU SOS
2022-6th
2023- 10th
2024- 8th
Clemson SOS
2022- 27th
2023- 14th
2024- 44th
People blindly taking Dabo because of what he did the better part of a decade ago aren't taking into account the fact that Dabo has won basically the same amount of games that Kelly has while Kelly was rebuilding a program against a tougher schedule. Dabo has a better resume but he hasn't been what he was at all recently.
This post was edited on 8/4/25 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:27 pm to LSBoosie
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Which to be honest is the similar mindset that BK had up until 8 months ago. We'll see how this season plays out. I think LSU should end up being the better team by the end of the year.
That’s just not even close to true. BK used two large portal classes to rebuild this roster on the fly in 22 and 23. Dabo hadn’t taken a single P4 player from the portal at that point. How in the frick is that a similar mindset? Even as Dabo has finally woken up to the value of using the portal at all, BK just pushed all the chips in this offseason to get the best class possible. Their mindsets are nothing alike here.
As for recruiting, unless this changed this offseason, Dabo still won’t drop players once he offers and doesn’t allow commits to take other visits after. That’s totally out of touch with the reality of the sport today. It was already a throwback mindset before NIL and the portal, but now it’s completely obsolete and unnecessarily limits recruiting. BK has never done this and I doubt this mindset would work for anyone here going head to head in the heart of the SEC.
The major changes here started in the 23 offseason, not 8 months ago. BK wiped out the defensive staff and started overhauling the staff to run ops and the collective then. We saw the results with last year’s class, which were improved, but we still lost a few recruits to huge payouts at the end of the process. But, the package that was structured for Underwood was still bigger than anything we were offering for QBs before that and big enough to stave off everyone but Michigan with one of the 50 richest men in the world backing them. That was already a shift in how we were doing things. It just wasn’t enough.
I do agree that BK leveraged the Underwood situation and that money 8 months ago to take another step and we are seeing promising results from the portal and in recruiting so far. If we hold onto more of this class, then it will be another solid step forward from where we started.
All that said, this all has to result in more wins or it will be a great setup for the next head coach, but don’t tell me Dabo would be doing the same things here right now.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:27 pm to JiminyCricket
You said that it's a flawed comparison then followed it up by comparing the two to prove why you're right...
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:30 pm to LSBoosie
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You said that it's a flawed comparison then followed it up by comparing the two to prove why you're right...
I said comparing Kelly post Jayden Daniels to Dabo Swinney post Trevor Lawrence is a poor way to compare the two coaches, not that comparing the two coaches overall was nonsensical. Like I said earlier, I didn't say the comparison was flawed, I said the metric you chose to measure by was flawed.
This post was edited on 8/4/25 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:31 pm to misey94
A year ago BK was talking about how LSU wasn't in the business of buying players. Now he is begging fans to donate money so they can outbid Oregon. He Before this year, he talked bout how he didn't want to build through the portal. This year he took 18 guys from the portal and 40% of the starters might be portal guys.
I never told you that?
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don’t tell me Dabo would be doing the same things here right now.
I never told you that?
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:33 pm to JiminyCricket
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I said comparing Kelly post Jayden Daniels to Dabo Swinney post Trevor Lawrence is a poor way to compare the two coaches
I know. And then you followed it up with a comparison of those exact years...
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:34 pm to LSBoosie
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A year ago BK was talking about how LSU wasn't in the business of buying players. Now he is begging fans to donate money so they can outbid Oregon.
Well, we did just land Geralds and held onto Pickett, whom Oregon did want very badly so I suppose if he was begging, it worked.
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He Before this year, he talked bout how he didn't want to build through the portal. This year he took 18 guys from the portal and 40% of the starters might be portal guys.
So you agree Brian Kelly has been willing to adapt and change where Dabo has been more stubborn?
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:36 pm to LSBoosie
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I know. And then you followed it up with a comparison of those exact years...
Dude, we've had one year post Jayden and Lawrence went to the Jags in what, like 2018? The timelines did not intersect like you're portraying them.
This post was edited on 8/4/25 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:37 pm to JiminyCricket
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Well, we did just land Geralds and held onto Pickett, whom Oregon did want very badly so I suppose if he was begging, it worked.
Sure. I never said it didn't work. I'm just pointing out that a year ago he said that LSU wasn't in the business of buying players and now they are. I'm not mad about it.
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So you agree Brian Kelly has been willing to adapt and change where Dabo has been more stubborn?
Definitely.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:39 pm to JiminyCricket
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Dude, we've had one year post Jayden and Lawrence went to the Jag in what, like 2018? The timelines did not intersect like you're portraying them.
Yeah the guy that was a sophomore when LSU played against him in 2020 was drafted into the NFL in 2018. Clemson had one season post Lawrence before BK went to LSU and in that season they went 10-3.
This post was edited on 8/4/25 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:41 pm to LSBoosie
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Yeah the guy that was a sophomore when LSU played against him in 2020 was drafted into the NFL in 2018.
I was saying Lawrence but I was thinking Watson for some reason. It's been a long Monday.
What overall point exactly are you trying to make? You argued back at other posters but you're not really being very clear on what you're trying to argue other than just being argumentative.
This post was edited on 8/4/25 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:46 pm to JiminyCricket
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What overall point exactly are you trying to make? You argued back at other posters but you're not really being very clear on what you're trying to argue other than just being argumentative.
I don't really have some massive point I'm trying to make. I just responded to one of your 5 posts on the first page with a counterpoint. I've only responded to one other person in this thread.
This post was edited on 8/4/25 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:52 pm to LatinTiger30
quote:That's why I said Dabo. He has more skins on the wall.
Seriously?? Dabo has 2 NC under his belt.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 1:59 pm to LSBoosie
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I don't really have some massive point I'm trying to make. I just responded to one of your 5 posts on the first page with a counterpoint. I've only responded to one other person in this thread.
I think I took the comment you made as a counterpoint as to why I said I would take Brian Kelly today over Dabo Swinney today. I assumed you were using the recent results for both teams as evidence that Dabo is a better option than Kelly is today.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 2:03 pm to JiminyCricket
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Dabo has been a pretty consistent 3-4 loss guy since that run fizzled out for him.
In a piss poor conference. They were getting to the end of the season with everyone fresh and rested.
Posted on 8/4/25 at 2:07 pm to JiminyCricket
quote:Disagree. Dabo is younger. Won 2 natties, played in a third. Beat Bama for both of them while BK got stomped by Bama. Dabo has a higher winning percentage than BK as well.
People blindly taking Dabo because of what he did the better part of a decade ago
So, if you were charged with hiring one of them today for your team. Who ya hiring ?
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