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re: When did 9-4 become a "disaster"?
Posted on 1/10/10 at 12:42 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 1/10/10 at 12:42 pm to Ace Midnight
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: "When did 9-4 become a "disaster"?
Because with our talent - the players could have coached themselves to 9-4. We could have saved millions by just having a secretary to keep things organized. ANYONE could have gotten that pool of talent to that record.
If Florida/Texas/Bama/Boise/TCU would have gone 9-4 this year they would be upset about the coaches too. Would you go post on their board that 9-4 is a good season? We have equal or better talent to the undefeated teams - why are we ranked 112 in offense, and embarrassing ourselves on tv every week? Coaching. Miles IS incompetent and a laughing stock.
This post was edited on 1/10/10 at 12:44 pm
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Posted on 1/10/10 at 12:59 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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It's not, never has been, and never will be when you play in the SEC and
This mindset is why LSU was and maybe always will be a 2nd tier team. 9-4 in and or its self is not a "disaster". But we are not talking hypothetically. We are talking about the 2009 season. It came after a 8-5 season, which is the worst follow up to a National Title season in a very long time. You also have to look at the games, not just the results. WE lost to the 2 best teams by double digits. While we had a shot to beat OM at the end, they dominated the game (look at the box score) we also had a very lucky win at MSU and last second wins over UGA and Ark. We played really well only once, Auburn. We did not even dominate the scrubs, LT, ULL we played. When that comes after 8-5 year with 3 blow outs. Its a disturbing trend.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 1:25 pm to H-Town Tiger
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9-4 in and or its self is not a "disaster".
Glad you agree with my answer to the thread question.
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This mindset is why LSU was and maybe always will be a 2nd tier team
My "mindset" nor yours has ANY impact on the LSU football "tier" level.
I have moved on from the 08 season and I'm sorry you can't/will not.
LSU football was 3rd in the SEC in 09, nationally ranked, and awarded with a New Year Day bowl game. That's the non-disturbing trend I care bout and I hope continues and even gets better.
The die is pretty much cast for 10 already. Why don't we see what the future holds, before we jump off any cliffs since we, you, me, and the rest here, can't do anything bout it one way or the other. If you are right, I'll come back and pat you on the back.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 1:50 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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My "mindset" nor yours has ANY impact on the LSU football "tier" level.
you are wrong, if people are willing to accept 9-4 seasons as good after its been proven we can do better, then 9-4 is what you will get. You have stated this is what you want.
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LSU football was 3rd in the SEC in 09, nationally ranked, and awarded with a New Year Day bowl game. That's the non-disturbing trend I care bout
burying your head in the sand will not help you see reality. This team was closer to 5 or 6 loses than 1. We lost to the 4 best teams we played, we did not beat a ranked team or one with less than 3 loses. We are 8-8 the last 2 years in the SEC. If this is a trend you like, good, cause it more than likely you get to see more of the same. Being 9-4. 3rd in the SEC and ranked was nice in 1996, 2 NC and 3 sEC titles later, we can do better.
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I hope continues and even gets better.
put hope in one hand and crap in the other see what fills up faster. But you will get what you want, the trend of being at best 3rd in the SECm getting NYD bowl and being ranked will continue.
This post was edited on 1/10/10 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 1/10/10 at 5:08 pm to DelAzucar
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9-4 became a disaster after the Tiger fan base realized that the program was never better than mediocre under Chollie Mac
For the period from 1969 through 1973, how many teams were better than LSU? 4 or 5 over that whole period? Is that mediocre?
The only thing worse than bias and ignorance is short sighted bias and ignorance.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 5:11 pm to wmorris
Sorry to quote you know who...I really am...but it's not so much the results but the process.
I mean if you can honestly say you were pleased with our play after any game this year other than the Auburn game then IMHO you are rationalizing.
I mean if you can honestly say you were pleased with our play after any game this year other than the Auburn game then IMHO you are rationalizing.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 5:11 pm to Ace Midnight
You picked 5 of Mac's 18 years to make a point? Mac never had a 10 win season in 18 years.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 5:13 pm to saintsrow
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Ace....I think most of the intelligible individuals on this board will agree that after your Dinardo and Hallman remarks......
Dinardo won 10 games, after all of the damage that Hallman did. I indicated that he had to go, but that doesn't diminish the fact (that most Sabanistas conveniently ignore) the he took big strides that set the table for Saban's success (Louisiana recruiting, beginning with Kevin Faulk).
What did I say about Hallman? I didn't like him/don't like him. He may be the very worst coach in big league CFB history. I would title his biography (should one ever be penned) "Still Losin'!"
But, you can't, not with any sort of intellectual honesty compare Miles' tenure at LSU with either Dinardo or Hallman. If you do, check the stats again, and check them fairly closely.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 5:14 pm to drizztiger
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You picked 5 of Mac's 18 years to make a point? Mac never had a 10 win season in 18 years.
That was in response to "never better than mediocre" under Mac. Do you stipulate that Mac's 5 best years were "better than mediocre"?
Posted on 1/10/10 at 5:18 pm to Ace Midnight
I see. No, I tend to look at a program rather than individual teams. Brady is a prime example, LSU had a mediocre program under Brady, but did manage some quality teams.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 5:21 pm to drizztiger
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I see. No, I tend to look at a program rather than individual teams. Brady is a prime example, LSU had a mediocre program under Brady, but did manage some quality teams.
I see, and ergo an outstanding program can produce some mediocre teams, like LSU's football team in 1960, 2002 or 2004? Or was the program "mediocre at best" during those seasons?
Posted on 1/10/10 at 5:22 pm to Ace Midnight
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When did 9-4 become a "disaster"?
When you win 3 U-gly games against ULL, La Tech & Tulane. And you loose U-gly and stupidly against Ole Miss and PSU!!
Posted on 1/10/10 at 5:24 pm to Gus Tinsley
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When you win 3 U-gly games against ULL, La Tech & Tulane. And you loose U-gly and stupidly against Ole Miss and PSU!!
Okay, if 9-4 is a "disaster", what word do you have to invent or amplify to describe 1992?
Posted on 1/10/10 at 5:26 pm to Ace Midnight
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Okay, if 9-4 is a "disaster", what word do you have to invent or amplify to describe 1992?
LOOK AT THE CALENDER...it ain't 92..who cares what happened when Archer, Hallman or Dinardo was here...this is now and Miles and his boy Crowton ain't getting it done.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 5:28 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:You are attributing a quote to me mistakenly.
"mediocre at best"
I do believe Cholly Mac's program was never elite or really even close to it overall.
I also agree that great programs can have a down year. When that becomes two consecutive years, there is usually a problem.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 5:29 pm to Ace Midnight
One more thing the staffs during the years LSU was going through some tough years was not making the cash they are today. If you are going to make the bucks they make today and I pay what I pay for tickets.......I want more than what I saw this year. I have been going to LSU games since 1967 and have seen as many in person in Tiger Stadium as you obviously have on TV and the past 2 years and especially this year have been embarrassing.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 6:23 pm to Ace Midnight
Ace Midnight, I have to wonder if you know anything about football. For LSU to have the talent they have and play so poorly, the reason HAS TO BE COACHING..
Posted on 1/10/10 at 6:36 pm to classof72
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When did 9-4 become a "disaster"?
Didn't read all this, so this may have been said already. If you think this year was not a horrible failure, then you are an idiot. If you simply look at 9-4 and feel that it was an ok year, you are an idiot as well.
9-4 while losing to bama, the gators and Penn state (all close games) while destroying lesser teams and less coaching mistakes isn't so bad.
9-4 the way we did it while having to listen to our idiot coach sucks.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 6:54 pm to INFIDEL
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If you think this year was not a horrible failure, then you are an idiot.
Maybe anyone seeing this year as a "horrible failure" is the "idiot".
Posted on 1/10/10 at 7:01 pm to carrell
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One thing Nick Saban understands very well, much better than Les does, is the continual drive to be the best, focusing on all of the details, and building a team, both within the players and the coaching staff. Les is sloppy and lets it all hang out. He is full of want (or something else).
Try and answer somthing chief.....Why in the frick didn't Saban the all god to football do better at LSU in 5 years?
I mean frick you are going to compare Miles to Saban why not compare both at LSU and not Saban at Bama?
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This post was edited on 1/10/10 at 7:03 pm
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