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re: What type of offense are we?

Posted on 1/14/12 at 2:53 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 2:53 pm to
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And I think it's safe to say Mett will most definitely be better than Lee.

he won't be much better if he doesn't have the opportunity to do more, though
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 2:54 pm to
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Please God let this kid be good cause he's gonna get playing time even if he aint.

i hope that, too

i hope that we can get some coaches who actually know how to coach/scheme the option, if we're going to use a mobile QB
Posted by marklsu
New Orleans
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 2:54 pm to
We are a C.R.A.P. offense. Can Run And Punt.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 2:57 pm to
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he won't be much better if he doesn't have the opportunity to do more, though


your right, he should transfer now. :coughgtfo:

LSU will still be a running team but with Mett's arm and QB ability the deep threats of OBJ and Shep off of play action will be lethal....not to mention the running game that will be a whole year more mature...(all five RBs)
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 2:58 pm to
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your right,

to bear arms? or free speech?

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he should transfer now.

who is saying that?

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LSU will still be a running team but with Mett's arm and QB ability the deep threats of OBJ and Shep off of play action will be lethal....not to mention the running game that will be a whole year more mature

we need more variety in the running game, though
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 3:00 pm to
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we need more variety in the running game, though


I think I'm done here.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 3:01 pm to
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I agree. BUT, this is exactly how he built this team. He built it to really be a field position team. Pin teams back with outstanding defense and special teams to set up short fields.


And he never planned for a game when his defense was pressed and his ST's were negated?
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I believe he had to do this because of his personnel. Yes, it was his personnel. He recruited all those players. But in his mind I believe he thought he was putting the best package on the field.


I disagree. He definitely had the personnel to have a contingency and an alternative offense. He chose not to develop it because he didn't care for Lee (for some reason) and felt he owed JJ something. You can't sit there and tell me if he didn't want Lee to play, he couldn't have developed Mettenberger? He had every other piece of the puzzle in place. LSU has excellent skill position talent.

Miles didn't develop a strong contingency. He should have all along, which is why you don't play conservative all the time. When pressed, he was stuck with the offense he wanted, not what he needed.
This post was edited on 1/14/12 at 3:02 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 3:05 pm to
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I think I'm done here.



what do you dislike about running in ways other than between the guards?
This post was edited on 1/14/12 at 3:06 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 3:07 pm to
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he won't be much better if he doesn't have the opportunity to do more, though



Yep.

There is a saying, "it's better to have and not need, than to need and not have." If you got it, develop it to it's fullest so it's there when you have to have it.
Posted by Rza32
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 3:09 pm to
One demensional with JJ at quarterback.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 3:13 pm to
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what do you dislike about running in ways other than between the guards


absolutely nothing, we will run sideline to sideline even with mett at qb
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 3:15 pm to
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we will run sideline to sideline even with mett at qb

we don't run much outside unless it's a speed option play. very few stretch plays or counters
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 3:24 pm to

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absolutely nothing, we will run sideline to sideline even with mett at qb



Didn't do that much of this all year.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 3:25 pm to
Russell Shepard on the reverse for 20 yards!
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 3:27 pm to
The offense is getting a makeover...it is more presumptions to think it would stay close to the same given what we have coming in...IMHO.
Posted by LSUFAN2
Tennessee
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 3:27 pm to
Pathetic
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 3:30 pm to
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The offense is getting a makeover...it is more presumptions to think it would stay close to the same given what we have coming in...IMHO.


Maybe, but we had Mett this year. Nothing was developed for him.
Posted by CRNA-KA
Tennessee
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 3:33 pm to
Great coaches and OC's design offenses that compliment the talent they have to run those offenses. The biggest problem we had with JJ was that he wasn't as much of a dual threat QB as he was a drop back passer. To tell you the truth, I don't believe he was even a drop back passer. He was unable to read defenses and was only a first read type of guy. He couldn't manipulate a defense with looking off the safety. This LSU team won in spite of the quarterback position, not because of it. It was only a matter of time before the QB position got exposed. In my opinion, ZM should have been the starting QB day 1!!
This post was edited on 1/14/12 at 3:34 pm
Posted by DanglingFury
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 3:35 pm to
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against equal talent and good coaching, this won' work


2/3 of the last games against Saban it worked.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 1/14/12 at 3:35 pm to
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To tell you the truth, I don't believe he was even a drop back passer. He was unable to read defenses and was only a first read type of guy.



JJ wasn't a pocket passer but Miles kept trying to make him one. He performed better out of the pocket. Never understood why they kept JJ in the pocket when he gave up on more passing plays than he actually threw the ball, it seemed.
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