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re: What position battles are you most looking forward to?

Posted on 1/17/13 at 10:51 am to
Posted by LSUdm21
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 10:51 am to
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Are we fairly sure of that? I was looking forward to him.


Not 100% just yet but he has a lot of work to do and this staff is kind of moving on from him at this point.
Posted by Sev09
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 10:59 am to
Second string QB.
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 11:20 am to
The CB spot is pretty much set with Mills and Collins. I know some people on here think Collins might be pushed by a younger guy, but I dont see it happening. Im very curious to see who we bring in when we go Nickle and who goes where. This past year Mills went inside and Collins was on the outside, so who do we bring in and who gets pushed inside??

I think the LBs will be Barrow, Kwon, and Debo/Jones. Not sure who would play where, but these are the top guys at LBs.

Safetys are Loston and Ronald Martin, with Eugene being nickle.

Very curious to see who the other DE beides Rasco will be. Hunter? Allen? Herron? Not sure. I can see us rotating a lot of guys in the spot with Rasco being the sure guy.

I know Mett has the QB job down, but Im curious to see who gets the upper hand between Jennings and Rettig.

Posted by PurpleAndGold86
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 11:21 am to
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The CB spot is pretty much set with Mills and Collins.


Fail.
Posted by LuzianaFootball
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:18 pm to

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Safetys are Loston and Ronald Martin, with Eugene being nickle.


I think Corey Thompson might have some input on this.

Eugene seem to struggle in coverage giving up a lot of big plays in the process.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:20 pm to
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What position battles are you most looking forward to?

Place kicker.
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:23 pm to
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Fail.


Umm really??

Mills is a returning starter and Collins was freshman all SEC and got better as the season progressed. Not to mention I think he will be the oldest CB we have on scholarship. Who would take either of their spot? White?? Thomas?? Brazil?? Were not even sure if Robinson will sign with us.

White could push for nickle but I dont think he will be a starter day 1.

And I did like what I say out of Thompson this year. He could push Eugene for the nickle.
This post was edited on 1/17/13 at 2:30 pm
Posted by marcnbc
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:27 pm to
Keep an eye on Jerald Hawkins at LT(6'6 300#'s). I think he will be given the chance to win that job and keep Collins at LG. Collins ability to pull when needed is a big asset.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:29 pm to
Mike Linebacker,
Left Tackle
DE
WR
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:30 pm to
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Umm really??


Umm really yes, you said both of those guys were set at the CB position. I'm not in the locker room, but I don't at all see Collins' position being set just quite yet.

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who would take either of their spot? White??


Yes, very possbly.

Mills will start without a doubt. He will be a stud before he leaves LSU. Collins is not an automatic.
Posted by LuzianaFootball
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:30 pm to
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And I did like what I say out of Thompson this year. He could push Eugene for the nickle.


Dude looked like a monster out there on running down the field on special teams.

DE is going to be fun to watch. I think all of those guys see the opportunity to take the position. I think Hunter takes 1 spot and Rasco starts at the other. We will definitely see even more rotation than last year.
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:42 pm to
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Mills will start without a doubt. He will be a stud before he leaves LSU


No doubt about it. He was our best CB this past season IMO as a true freshman. Cant wait to see how he improves to next year. I actually thought Mills and Collins both player better than Simon did this past year when they were in the game.

And i know everyone is excited about White, I am too. But we dont know what he can do at this level yet. Sure, he comes highly regarded and should be solid, but we dont know that yet. We know Collins can play at this level. He had a good season and improved as the season progressed and started getting quality PT. He was freshman All SEC last season. I can see White being the #3 CB on the team that we bring in when we go nickle, but if he starts with Mills we would have no size on the outside. I think Collins will be step into the Simon/Claiborne role of guarding the other teams #1 and we move Mills around just like we did last year with White coming in as the nickle. Look at the past few years. We always have 1 big body CB out there taking away 1 side of the field, with everyone else man to man on the other WRs.

Im pumped about White and think he could be a great 1, but from what Ive seen Collins can play at a high level and we have been grooming him for that Claiborne spot for this coming up year. I think its his time and he has a big season.
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:45 pm to
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The CB spot is pretty much set with Mills and Collins. Fail.


No fail. It's set barring an injury or an out of this world performance by one of the newcomers.
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:46 pm to
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He was our best CB this past season IMO as a true freshman.


I absolutely agree with that.


Actually I agree with everything you just said.

Posted by byubengalboy
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:46 pm to
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What position battles are you most looking forward to?


WR cause it will be the crucial upgrade for the offense and DL cause it has always been a strength and is now loaded with question marks.

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And which positions should/would be left alone with the returning starters?


no position, IMO, should be left alone with the returning starters. whatever shakes out, we need our best players taking the field in Dallas.

improvise, adapt and overcome. ooh-raah!
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:47 pm to
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And I did like what I say out of Thompson this year. He could push Eugene for the nickle


I don't think we'll see more safeties in nickel or dime next year.
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:57 pm to
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I absolutely agree with that.


Actually I agree with everything you just said.




Haha. I just think its Collins time and hes been waiting for it. Chavis is on him all day everyday because he knows what type of player he can be and hes been prepping him for this role. He is the guy Im most excited about coming up this season. Him and Debo.

I know we are losing a lot of DBs from this past season, but I thought Simon was our weakest link. With him gone, I think we will be just as good or better at CB. Not really sure what was up with Simon , but he just didnt have it.

And Penrod, I agree. Im not sure how much he will see the field if he cant play nickle though. But, Loston is as injury prone as they come so he better be ready to step in at any given moment.

This post was edited on 1/17/13 at 2:59 pm
Posted by LuzianaFootball
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 2:59 pm to
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Look at the past few years. We always have 1 big body CB out there taking away 1 side of the field, with everyone else man to man on the other WRs.


We always have an NFL caliber corner to take away one side of the field. They just happened to be phyical guys. Mills is listed the same height as Claiborne. So it's not about having a big body, but more so great coverage skills and speed.

As for Collins, I could see him being moved to safety to make room for all of the younger guys with more skill, better hips, and more speed. I know he made strides as the season went on, but that would make him even more valuable as a tall safety who can cover.


That's if we don't get our top S targets this signing class.
Posted by KG5989
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 3:05 pm to
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Mills is listed the same height as Claiborne. So it's not about having a big body, but more so great coverage skills and speed.

As for Collins, I could see him being moved to safety to make room for all of the younger guys with more skill, better hips, and more speed. I know he made strides as the season went on, but that would make him even more valuable as a tall safety who can cover.




True. And Mills might be listed as the same size as Mo, but I dont know how much I believe that. He def doesnt look to be as tall as Mo. Plus, Mo had those freakishly long arms.

And as far as Collins being moved to S, he is more of a CB that Simon ever was. I paid very close attention to Collins this past year and he has good hips, not great but better than Simon out of the backpedal and good enough hips to go along with GREAT range to play CB. I wouldnt move him just because we would be starting another freshman CB from day 1. Not saying that White or another freshman wouldnt be capable of playing immediately, but Id feel much safer with Collins at CB. Plus, I dont think he would be playing S over Martin or Loston. Hes a CB, and I expect him to breakout and become a damn good CB this season too.
This post was edited on 1/17/13 at 3:10 pm
Posted by LuzianaFootball
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Posted on 1/17/13 at 3:18 pm to
I agree about the Simon comparison. He would have been an even better candidate had he returned.

I'm just worried about our safeties right now. None of the guys we have now, hell and even times last year with Reid, that they can play the pass and cover. All of our safeties struggled with that last year.

Collins could at least help at S in unique situations. I would have more faith with him playing S if the game was on the line than anyone else we have right now. However, I do agree that it's highly unlikely this ever happens.
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