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re: What is your optimal JL/JJ split?

Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:22 pm to
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
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Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:22 pm to
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where do you get your opinions and "facts".


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In the Tigers’ scintillating 33-29 triumph at Florida, Jefferson was in on 40 snaps and Lee for 29. Together they combined to lead No. 9-ranked LSU (6-0, 4-0 SEC) to 385 total yards and their highest scoring output this season against a defense that entered the game ranked second in the conference in fewest yards allowed. Both quarterbacks had success with what they were asked to do for the most part. Jefferson rushed for 42 yards and a pair of red-zone touchdowns and was efficient throwing the ball with 100 yards on 7-of-12 accuracy.

Lee missed only two passes in his sporadic stints, going 9-of-11 for 124 yards with a pair of touchdown throws to Terrence Toliver, including the game-winner from 3 yards away with 6 seconds to go.

In the past two games, the Tigers have generated 819 total yards after scratching out only 529 in the two previous games


Advocate

Facts.



Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:22 pm to
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JJ IMPROVED from 111th ranked QB to 108 ranked this week!

HE should play 100% of the snaps!!!! JL isn't even ranked on the list!!!



Posted by TallTex
Texas
Member since Aug 2010
181 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:26 pm to
I don't mind when they bring jj in on short distance plays but DO NOT let him throw the deep ball. He is a good diversion for the defenses we will be facing...and if he gets hit and it rings his bell a little it won't really matter.

JL is the real deal now.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
26149 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:29 pm to
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Also, Lee threw just as many INT's when Hatch was playing as when he started.

This whole "lee plays better off the bench" is the dumbest argument I have seen on here in a long time (well, maybe not a long time). It has zero basis other than what happened 2 years ago when he was a redshirt freshmen who had only been playing QB for 4 years of his entire life (he started playing QB his junior year in highschool). I guess if you're content with throwing half of your offensive drives away every game in hopes that JJ will maybe get back to his barely average self from a year ago, then so be it.


Actually, Lee threw 4 TDs to 2 Ints. when he came off the bench with Hatch starting. He has 6 TDs to 4 Ints. coming off the bench in total. Probably another TD or two if you count games where he came in and threw one or two short passes. He has 11 TDs and 15 Ints when starting.

So it's not that dumb when you consider that just about everyone would say that his two best games ever for LSU (considering the atmosphere, opponent, etc.) would easily be Auburn 2008 and Florida last week. But yeah, basically a lot of people are saying that based on things that happened a few years ago. Of course, the very bad La Tech start did not help things out for him in the start department. But this is a NEW YEAR and how do we know that he wouldn't do better starting if we don't give him a chance.

I really don't have a big problem with putting JJ out there for the first series if they believe that this helps JL in any way or benefits us. After all, JJ did lead us down the field and we put up three points on the opening drive in The Swamp. He started off great against Tennessee too. But the drive after in both games yielded bad results. So after the first drive, based on how JL has played so far this year, he should probably get 85% of the snaps. If things go south fast, substitutions can always be made.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:31 pm to
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Jefferson rushed for 42 yards and a pair of red-zone touchdowns


TD's that Lee drove the field for and he came in to collect the score. FAIL.

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was efficient throwing the ball with 100 yards on 7-of-12 accuracy.


Why ignore the interception that gifted Florida 7 points? Oh and how many scoring drives did he lead us on? How many drives was he in command of? FAIL #2.

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Lee missed only two passes in his sporadic stints, going 9-of-11 for 124 yards with a pair of touchdown throws to Terrence Toliver, including the game-winner from 3 yards away with 6 seconds to go.


This is correct, but again why not mention his drives were the ones that led to JJ's td's...not JJ's play. PASS.

So your facts have a ratio of 2 FAIL : 1 PASS.

Try again.
This post was edited on 10/12/10 at 2:33 pm
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
26149 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:34 pm to
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he doesnt add any value...


He's ranked in the top 20 for rushing in the SEC and is tied for the team lead in rushing TDs. And you can't say they were all easy goal line TDs because one was the longest rush of the season for LSU (and the longest in LSU history for a QB) and the one against State was from 16 or so yards out as well.

He does add some value. And running it in against Florida in The Swamp on 3rd and goal from the 3 is never easy. He took a hit, but still made it in on the option read play.

I would like to see Shep line up and run that play as well. I think he could bust a few big ones. But he's not right now, so JJ is adding the value in that area.
Posted by TallTex
Texas
Member since Aug 2010
181 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:35 pm to
I like the way it (jj being in the game) makes the opposing defense think we are going to run it so keep him in like 15% of the time-but JL should be starting and/or playing 85% of the time. We need to put up more points earlier and let our defense dominate.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
25057 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:40 pm to
LOL so you're saying JL should get credit for JJ's TD's? The game plan is obviously to have a dual-threat QB for the red zone offense. It worked.

No Fail.

And since you've missed the point of my replies not once, not twice, but three times now...I'll try and explain as if to a child.

QB yards up last two games. LSU not lose. Staff know what they doing. Nothing to fix here.



Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
81765 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:41 pm to
Lee is the reason the yards are up, with the exception of the broken running play by JJ against Tennessee.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:41 pm to
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This is correct, but again why not mention his drives were the ones that led to JJ's td's...not JJ's play. PASS.

So your facts have a ratio of 2 FAIL : 1 PASS.

Try again.


Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
26149 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:42 pm to
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Les and Gary lack of creativity using Shep is gonna cost that kid. Defenses have figured out what happens when he gets the ball, and now its up to our coaches to adjust. I don't know if I have faith that they can. Those were some of the most obvious sweeps with Shep against Fla. No one would've had success with them.



Honestly, I think JL could help RS become a huge part of the offense. So far, he is throwing the quick slip screens and shorter passes 10x better than JJ. JJ throws them too hard.

I feel very confident that if they send RS on some of those quick routes like they did with TT on Saturday, RS will break some for TDs and become a huge part of the offense rather than just a guy to worry about most of the time. JL throws with a lighter touch and it should be easier for RS to catch. Also, he throws regular screens better and we should be using a good number of those with the guys we have.

RS does need to concentrate a little better though. He had a number mental mistakes the last few games leading up to Florida.
This post was edited on 10/12/10 at 2:49 pm
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:42 pm to
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and is tied for the team lead in rushing TDs


I would be too if I got the ball at the 5 yard line everytime...
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I would like to see Shep line up and run that play as well. I think he could bust a few big ones

this is what Im looking for...
Posted by Raparooot
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2009
3622 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:44 pm to
JJ's split would look like this...... V
JL's split would look like this......V

Put them both together and you have a W.

Whatever Miles says is what it should be right?
Are we still doubting the HAT?
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:46 pm to
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LOL so you're saying JL should get credit for JJ's TD's?


holy shite...your serious...i thought you were joking...

you actually think those are JJ's TD's?

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dual-threat QB for the red zone offense.

we have a dual threat QB....JJ isnt even one threat...
Sheps the Dual Threat.

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It worked

so your saying JL couldnt have scored those TD's?...hmmm....

This post was edited on 10/12/10 at 2:48 pm
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
81765 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:47 pm to
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Are we still doubting the HAT?

yes, with good reason
Posted by Raparooot
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2009
3622 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:50 pm to
Yall sound like a bunch of crybaby 10 year olds at a soccer game or something.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
Just across the water...
Member since Aug 2009
25057 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:51 pm to
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you actually think those are JJ's TD's?


I do, and the box score agrees with me.

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we have a dual threat QB....JJ isnt even one threat...


100 yards passing and 42 yards rushing say differently. But don't let facts get in your way, you're rolling.



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so your saying JL couldnt have scored those TD's?...hmmm....


I'd rather see JJ try and run into the endzone rather than JL, who you can time with a sundial.

Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:53 pm to
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QB yards up last two games.


based of JJ or JL's play.

My guess is we both know the answer, but you won't admit it.

Int's are still high. Guess whose fault that is....

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LSU not lose.


A win is a win. But having JL run the show increases the probability wins CONTINUE to happen.

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Staff know what they doing.




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Nothing to fix here.


Yes, there is; send JJ to the bench.
Posted by novowels
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2008
2408 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:56 pm to
JL - 90%
RS/SW - 10%
JJ - 0%
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
26149 posts
Posted on 10/12/10 at 2:57 pm to
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and is tied for the team lead in rushing TDs



I would be too if I got the ball at the 5 yard line everytime...


Let me basically repeat...one of them was THE LONGEST RUN BY A QB IN LSU HISTORY. You were probably stabbing yourself in the wrist with a fork when you realized that nobody was going to catch him, huh?

Jeez...at least try and appear to be somewhat fair. Like I said, one other TD against State was a 16-yard run and he scored on 3rd and goal from the 3 in The Swamp. That's never easy - ask Michael Ford who lost a yard on 2nd and goal from the 2.

Come on man...you can be fair...I know you can do it.
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