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re: what is moffit doing
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:47 pm to TigerPaul
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:47 pm to TigerPaul
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this has been talked about a hundred times. These kids aren't running 4.7s out of high school legitimately. They are typically hand-timed by a coach or scout who has it in their best interest to have faster times.
For most, this is the first time they have ever been laser timed. And if you think Moffit failed Dorsey then you are an idiot.
so true.
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Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:47 pm to killercoconut
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MOFFITT MADE DORSEY...end of discussion
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:48 pm to Tiger in NY
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How is he supposed to make them more than marginally faster than they are when he gets them?
i think it's making them too big and slowing them down
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
no shite
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:49 pm to death valley driver
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then he's not doing his job. i'm pretty sure miles & co pitch LSU as being a facilitator to the nfl.
That's not a fair statement...his "job" and responsibilities are only to assist LSU in winning football games. That said, he prepares kids to play football in the NFL. That does not necessarily equate to preparing them to do well in combine type events. Name the LSU players (other than maybe JV) who were not physically ready to play in the League coming out of LSU.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:49 pm to nhsj012
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hmmm maybe making them stronger? look at the weights of most of the linemen coming out of high school (prob inflated) then look at their weights now. a shitload of muscle mass and weight has been gained which means they aren't going to be as fast carrying that weight.
why carry so much weight?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:50 pm to DBG
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btw, we've had a few guys turn out shitty combines recently
Has it ever occurred to people that maybe the combine IS the problem? Every year they fall in love with some guy that runs a 4.4 40 but didn't do squat in college football.
Seriously, look at the guys with mega reps on the bench press. Boone from Ohio State - yeah that guy that LSU beat like a drum while meeting at the QB the entire game. Vernon Gholston, Ohio State, mega reps also - so far looking like a first round bust.
Maybe Moffitt is training these guys to play football, not to do bench presses.
Why don't they do olympic lifts at the combine, which is what pretty much every major college program concentrates on to improve explosiveness, balance, and core body strength?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:51 pm to Tiger in NY
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Name the LSU players (other than maybe JV) who were not physically ready to play in the League coming out of LSU.
steven peterman
bradie james
glenn dorsey
marcus spears
chad lavalais
trev faulk
and these are guys who came in and essentially had to redshirt in the NFL b/c they were too weak (or in dorsey's case, he just didn't play very well and is seen as a bust as of now)
This post was edited on 2/23/09 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:52 pm to DBG
You guys are all retarded. It is pretty obvious who here has been involved in some sort of program where you are actually forced to lift and lift properly. Going to the gym with your buddies doesn't count. These guys like Moffitt are professionals and know what the hell they are doing. Instead of thinking you know what you are talking about because you read a workout plan on the internet try actually talking to a physical trainer. You act like all Moffit does is put them in the weightroom. There is also footwork drills, speed drills, etc. that every player goes through. It is part of the training that you rantards have no idea. I guess the reason we aren't getting players drafted is because of Moffitt. Oh wait, we constantly have players drafted (in the 1st round too) and play in the NFL.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:52 pm to NorfolkVATiger
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Has it ever occurred to people that maybe the combine IS the problem?
32 NFL teams rely on the combine, but yea, LSU knows better
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Vernon Gholston, Ohio State, mega reps also - so far looking like a first round bust.
LSU has had its share of busts
OSU has had much more NFL success the past 10-15 years
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:53 pm to DBG
Don't be an idiot....sure LSU "does" the bench press, but they do not focus on it. Mandarich and Mamula showed how importnant bench press is to being ready to play in the NFL. Didn't Ed Reed do like 8 or something?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:53 pm to NorfolkVATiger
ok, the entire combine is screwed up then
be real...its the the god damn bench press and 40 yards dash...does LSU not believe in these drills?
be real...its the the god damn bench press and 40 yards dash...does LSU not believe in these drills?
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:53 pm to death valley driver
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hey ranter- does is really take much to put weight on high schoolers who still aren't close to being fully developed coming in?? the great ones are able to put weight on players and not lose much speed. moffit is obviously not one of those.
hey fricktard mother fricker dipshit dumbass ranter, get it through your small fricking brain, these high school players were never that fast to begin with.
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the great ones are able to put weight on players and not lose much speed.
what was jackson's 40 time coming out of high school? rivals says 4.8 with a weight of 265. both are not confirmed and are what the player or coach told rivals. even if the player isn't lying, the high school 40 times are inflated by the coaches and the kids have a 3 yard head start. so realistically he prob ran a around a 5 flat coming out of high school. moffit put on and extra 30-45 pounds and either increased Jackson's 40 time or kept it where it was.
frick off dipshit
This post was edited on 2/23/09 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:54 pm to DBG
hell, i have my concerns with about moffit with current LSU players
im tired of seeing players get too big and lose any explosiveness they once had
im tired of seeing players get too big and lose any explosiveness they once had
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:55 pm to roscoethetiger
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You guys are all retarded. It is pretty obvious who here has been involved in some sort of program where you are actually forced to lift and lift properly. Going to the gym with your buddies doesn't count. These guys like Moffitt are professionals and know what the hell they are doing
nobody is really implying he has no clue what he's doing
the problem is that somewhere along the line, we've chosen to turn LSU into a big10 school
take our fast athletes and make them realy big, taking away their speed and explosiveness
is that moffit? is that miles? i dunno
we've had these problems under miles and saban, so moffit is the constant
however moffit was the S/C coach at miami, and they had some STUDS, so it may not be him
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Oh wait, we constantly have players drafted (in the 1st round too) and play in the NFL.
"constantly" is a bit much, and we're batting around .500 in 1st rounders
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think it's making them too big and slowing them down
Depends on what position...Landry and Bowe weren't slower when they came out, and they were MUCH bigger. Don't think he cares about making a DT or LG faster in the 40-yard dash.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:55 pm to death valley driver
Here are the 40 times for D-Linemen
As you can see the only guys who are running in the 4.7 range are guys like Everette Brown, Michael Johnson, and Orakpo. All of these guys are considered to be at least as good as Tyson, when it comes to NFL potential, but they are 30-35 pounds lighter and play as speed rushers.
Tyson is more of a 3-4 guy, and his 4.9 is pretty damn good for his size. He certainly didn't hurt himself today and may have jumped over guys like Maybin and Laurinaitus.
Could anyone name one guy who is actually 295 pounds who ran under 4.7 at the combine? I can't think of anyone.
And I guess I can't say this enough, but the Rivals times are bullshite for anyone not named Xavier Carter, Trindon Holiday, and Jeffrey Demps.
As you can see the only guys who are running in the 4.7 range are guys like Everette Brown, Michael Johnson, and Orakpo. All of these guys are considered to be at least as good as Tyson, when it comes to NFL potential, but they are 30-35 pounds lighter and play as speed rushers.
Tyson is more of a 3-4 guy, and his 4.9 is pretty damn good for his size. He certainly didn't hurt himself today and may have jumped over guys like Maybin and Laurinaitus.
Could anyone name one guy who is actually 295 pounds who ran under 4.7 at the combine? I can't think of anyone.
And I guess I can't say this enough, but the Rivals times are bullshite for anyone not named Xavier Carter, Trindon Holiday, and Jeffrey Demps.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why carry so much weight?
you think 6'4 295 is carrying too much weight? he isn't a speed rusher
This post was edited on 2/23/09 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
this by far the dumbest thread ever first off Moffit is the most covetted coach on our staff. The combine comment is assanine the players the go to the combine dont work out with coach Moffit; they go off to work out for the combine. Just look at what happened with Ali he went and worked out with out moffit before the combine then came and worked out with Moffit before the pro day and saw huge improvements. Coach Moffit is the most valuable coach in college football.
Posted on 2/23/09 at 3:56 pm to NorfolkVATiger
Gayle Hatch Student.
LINK
I'll let you muscleheads decide if the Hatch philosophy of training is condusive to the combine skills required.
LINK
I'll let you muscleheads decide if the Hatch philosophy of training is condusive to the combine skills required.
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