re: What is Miles' legacy if he never wins another NC at LSU?

So beating a RS FR in his first start, in a NG of all things, no pressure, makes him better than Miles? It was the kid's first start for crying out loud.

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Saban has won two NCs in 5 years compared to 1 for Miles in 7 years.

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Again, his team beat up a RS Fr, who actually held his own, and they were lucky to get to the game this past season.

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How do you think that makes Miles look?

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I don't think Miles cares and I certainly don't.

Stick to the saints board.

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Im not even going to talk about when we got robbed in 2009 at Bryant-Denny

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PP was obviously robbed of that INT but lets bd honest, the offense was not moving the ball and there's very little chance we win that game. The bad call just made the final score a little worse than it should've been.

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PP was obviously robbed of that INT but lets bd honest, the offense was not moving the ball and there's very little chance we win that game. The bad call just made the final score a little worse than it should've been.

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You never know, we had momentum.

with a hat!

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Will he go down as one of the most underperforming LSU coaches compared to the amount of talent he had at his disposal

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OP is obviously an alter and trolling but IDGAF.

This thought process always cracks me up. It's like Miles woke up one day and Patrick Peterson, Sam Montgomery, Spencer Ware and all of these other great players Miles has "at his disposal" just showed up at his doorstep saying Here to volunteer our services to you and LSU Coach!!!

Miles has all this talent because HE BROUGHT IT HERE. That has to be considered when evaluating a coach right??

As much as these clowns used to try and make him out to be, Miles isn't, and never has been Larry Coker (granted, this idiotic argument isn't floated much anymore). Coker won a title in his FIRST year, literally less than 12 months after taking over for Butch Davis, and came as close to just steering a speeding ship to a national title as one can come.

Miles won his title THREE YEARS after Saban left. Not even remotely the same thing. And of course he led LSU to it's best regular season and possibly the best regular season of any program in history SEVEN YEARS after Saban left. So yeah, the whole Coker thing has pretty much been disproven.

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And Miles inherited a team that was already a national powerhouse.

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And this is BY FAR my favorite shite for brains statement for the Saban sloppers out there.

I always have to begin these posts with a disclaimer that I AM NOT A SABAN HATER. Dude completely changed the philosophy and mentality of our program, even if he started the change in 2001 with virtually all players he inherited from Dinardo.

He parlayed that success into the program shifting 2003 season that will probably forever be my favorite LSU experience.

I don't hate him for being at Bama because I realize the fact that he didn't leave LSU for Bama, but for his lifelong dream of coaching in the NFL.

All that said, the people that say that Saban built LSU into a national powerhouse don't know what the frick they are talking about. Saban was at LSU for 5 seasons. He had ONE great season and one very good season. He only had ONE year with less than THREE losses.

While winning a national championship automatically puts a team among the big time programs in the country, we were not a "national powerhouse" when Miles took over in 2005, any more than Auburn is a national powerhouse right now a year after winning a title. So I ask the rantards, do you consider Auburn a national powerhouse right now?


Again, we had only had two seasons of less than three losses since 1988, only one of which came under Saban when Miles took over, and only two top 5 finishes since 1962, again only one coming under Saban.

Miles came in and led us on by far the best 3 year run in our programs history with 3 straight top 5 seasons all with less than 3 losses and ending with a national title with just as many of his own recruits contributing to that title as Saban's, even though only one or two ever actually played any significant time under Saban to begin with.

Saban left LSU as a top 10 program in the country, one that had a legitimate shot at an SEC title almost every year, which was light years ahead of where we were when he took over and one of the reasons why people glorify him the way they do.

But LSU is not a top 10 program anymore. Les Miles took that top 10 program and turned it into one of the top 2 or 3 programs in the entire country, one that is a legitimate NATIONAL title contender every single year. We now have 5 years in the past 7 with less than 3 losses, four top 5 finishes, 2 SEC titles, and played for two national titles, winning one.

How anyone cannot see the difference in this program today vs. where we were in December of 2004 is mind blowing to me, and more likely just disingenuous.

The other reason that people are so enamored with Saban as LSU's greatest coach is because of the success he has had AT ALABAMA. What he has done there has been remarkable, much more impressive than what he did at LSU. But anyone who thinks that Nick Saban today is the same coach he was at the Capital One Bowl against Iowa, again, is fricking retarded.

He has gotten better, much better, as he's learned from his mistakes and continued to perfect his craft. The same way Les Miles is head and shoulders better than he was when he walked into Tiger Stadium on a Monday night to play the Tennessee Volunteers in 2005.

Saying Nick Saban is the greatest coach in LSU history based on what he is doing now at Alabama is like Oklahoma State fans saying Les Miles is the best coach in OSU history because of his success at LSU (he may be actually, I don't know enough about OSU to judge ).

You have to judge the greatest coach in LSU history based on what they did at the time they were actually here, not later in their careers. And what Les Miles has done, and continues to do by elevating this program to higher levels every year, is simply not even comparable to what Saban did in his time in BR.

Not to mention that the SEC that Miles is dealing with is without question much more difficult and competitive than it was in Saban's tenure. Every team has gotten better facilities, better athletes, better coaches, and had Miles just maintained what Saban strengthened in BR, he would have been left for dead in the current state of the SEC.

But of course, Miles' LSU is far from that.


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But you can look at Miles past and he's never shown program building ability.

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Umm... check out his 2nd, 3rd & 4th seasons at OkS before you make some idiot commnt like that. Had a 10 year shite span bc of sanctions and he strted getting them to bowl games while competing with OU and UT for recruits.

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And Miles inherited a team that was already a national powerhouse.

Saban had to build a new administration, structure and change the landscape of LSU's recruiting. He had a lot more working against him. This program needed to be built from the ground up and he did it.

When he's done coaching at Bama, I'll bet he's recognized as being one the greatest coaches in CFB. And I'll bet he's recognized as a better coach than Miles. He did the same thing at LSU that he's doing now at Bama. LSU would be a dynasty if he was still here. Just like he's building Bama to be now.

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But the question is who is the greatest coach ever at LSU. It will be Miles if he wins it all this year. Simply because Saban didn't stay around long enough to maintain his dominance here. If Miles never wins another NC, then I think Saban should still be in the argument as greatest HC ever here.

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How do you know LSU would be a dynasty? Saban's best year here was 03, and he lost to a UF team we should have beaten.

You are wrong on all accounts from Saban building anything here or at bama. The foundation was already layed out for both programs.

Sincerely, Iowa State...

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Fair or Unfair ..... as of now.

Winningest coach in LSU football history but could never beat Saban in the BIG one.

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Iowa State says hello...

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Tiger Voodoo

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We can go ahead and shut this thread down now.

He will be at the very least one of the greatest coaches ever at LSU. See record.