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re: What exactly do you ppl expect Crowton to do with JJ at QB
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:17 pm to Doc Fenton
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:17 pm to Doc Fenton
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, just like Lee, his mechanics suck
Lee's passing mechanics are very good and he has an NFL arm. These are not my words, but rather the words of a recruiter that worked for Saban while he was the coach here.
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Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:18 pm to specs1
Well then he's wrong. Even a casual observer could tell Lee had his weight on the wrong foot.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:19 pm to RobbBobb
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4) He has no pocket awareness
5) He's timid
8) He's gets "happy feet"
Dude, this is ALL coaching.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:23 pm to Doc Fenton
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4) He has no pocket awareness
5) He's timid
8) He's gets "happy feet"
This can be worked on. Surely, there must be some drills where a QB can be taught to throw the ball away rather than be sacked?
The pocket awareness is all about the clock in your head. JLee and JJ both were not ready for SEC speed. JLee was also practicing against a piss poor defense last yr, which further hampered his readability. JJ has a better D, but he still cannot count 1, 2, 3, 3.5, pass. JLee is better at that. I do not think it can be taught, but I've never QBd in the SEC. Obviously Hatch agrees with me, since he bailed and all.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:25 pm to RobbBobb
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1) He cannot run the option
Scrap it. Period.
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3) He cannot and will not throw deep
Maybe dual QBs like the Ensminger/Woodley rotation...JL can certainly throw a nice deep ball
The rest...I don't know if it's workable at this point or just a matter of more experience. I don't see how more Trindon and RS (speed baby speed) can't be worked into the equation...minus those stupid misdirection calls.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:25 pm to RobbBobb
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JLee is better at that. I do not think it can be taught, but I've never QBd in the SEC. Obviously Hatch agrees with me, since he bailed and all.
Robb, your analysis and comments seem to be very well informed. Did you play QB somewhere?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:27 pm to RobbBobb
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The pocket awareness is all about the clock in your head.
Admittedly, some people are naturally better at this than others. Still, you can't have that clock in your head unless you have a good bit of experience to draw upon. If JJ isn't tested enough under pressure in practice (and God knows that our D-line hasn't been getting much pressure), then it's hard to get a good intuitive "feel" on where he needs to be, and when he needs to do things. If the D-line isn't good at getting pressure, then shite, just let them come in a little easier in the drills. It's practice, man; it isn't rocket science.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:29 pm to specs1
yeah, but its been awhile. I have kids older than JLee and JJ. Hell, one is older than Flynn,
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:32 pm to RobbBobb
So Robb, what about JLee's pick 6 prob...seems correctable to me but is it?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:35 pm to RobbBobb
(Obviously Hatch agrees with me, since he bailed and all.)
I wonder who told less to give him shot?
I wonder who told less to give him shot?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:36 pm to Antonio Moss
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4) He has no pocket awareness
5) He's timid
8) He's gets "happy feet"
Dude, this is ALL coaching.
Complete fail.
It's completely on the player.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:38 pm to specs1
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He did not want the ball in his hands at GA at crunch time.
So when he chooses a play that gets us the winning TD you have problems with this? I realize what you're getting at, but let's face it, it was a good call.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:43 pm to jlc05
Again, the SEC speed and disguised zones are brutal. Like someone said, a lot of his ints were off his back foot. He always looked like he was rushing the throw. Would catch a glimpse of his receiver, and then let fly.
It means he has a HELL of a lot of confidence in his arm, which is a good thing, but it also means he was too inexperienced to recognize the game around him. He zoned in on the WR. He convinced himself his arm would bail him out. Remember its not the ints that were our problem, is was the scores that came off the ints. Different problem.
The int correction comes with repetitions and maturity. He's not getting any reps, so theres no telling where hes at in his head right now. JLee has potential, but for some reason he's not getting a second look
It means he has a HELL of a lot of confidence in his arm, which is a good thing, but it also means he was too inexperienced to recognize the game around him. He zoned in on the WR. He convinced himself his arm would bail him out. Remember its not the ints that were our problem, is was the scores that came off the ints. Different problem.
The int correction comes with repetitions and maturity. He's not getting any reps, so theres no telling where hes at in his head right now. JLee has potential, but for some reason he's not getting a second look
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:44 pm to RobbBobb
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What exactly do you ppl expect Crowton to do with JJ at QB
Sink with the ship
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:45 pm to RobbBobb
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but it also means he was too inexperienced to recognize the game around him.
Robb, don't you think they called on Lee to make upperclassman type throws pretty much the entire season? Realize that most of the time Lee did so successfully.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:49 pm to specs1
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Robb, don't you think they called on Lee to make upperclassman type throws pretty much the entire season? Realize that most of the time Lee did so successfully.
I know you're asking Robb, but I'll answer...YES!
I think Miles AND Crowton have put the brakes on the offense this year for that very reason. They scared themselves shitless!
Miles got Constanza pool shrinkage after last year.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:00 pm to specs1
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Robb, don't you think they called on Lee to make upperclassman type throws pretty much the entire season? Realize that most of the time Lee did so successfully.
You have to view the situation from the coaches perspective. They were coaching the undefeated National Champions. They were balls to the wall with Flynn and Perilloux, and while they scaled back some with JLee, he did step right in and became a legend against Auburn. That continued with Moo St.
But the wheels came off against Fla, but they saw JLee score in :47 sec. against them, and then another right after the half.
We also realized we had no D at about this time, so coaches just tried to outscore teams. They also kept saying well Fl was #1, Well Ga was #1, Wow, we just played #1 Bama into OT. They never stopped pushing. When JLee went down they continued with the philosophy with JJ, but Arky and Ole Miss put the brakes on that very quickly. Its been a "take it slow" approach since.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:09 pm to DanceCommander
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But frick, the o-line is terrible, and I don't think lee going back behind center would fix it.
I made the same comment earlier in the year, but 2 things have changed since. They have gotten better and I can see much more clearly how JJ's play makes them appear worse than they are.
He holds on to the ball way too long many times.
His penchant for retreating too far back from the line of scrimmage and even further back when there's pressure, instead of stepping up into the pocket, makes the defensive rushers job even easier and the O-Line's job that much harder.
I was watching an NFL analyst dissect the problems with J Russells play with the Oakland Raiders. He diagramed this very effectivly (Russell has the same tendency). It gives the rushers a straight line to the QB; instead of having to curl around the O-linemen the rushers just have to run past them, and the O-linemen have to run backwards vs faster forward rushing D-linemen.
Also it makes it harder for the O-line to keep track of their QB, and it's hard to protect your QB if you don't know where he's at.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:12 pm to RobbBobb
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So there is more to why JLee is not playing than the fact it led the offense better. I mean when you're are one of the 10 worst offenses in the nation, you gotta change up something.
For the 1000th time, as was said last year when people were calling for Jefferson, do you think a QB change is really going to lead to offensive improvement? If Lee with a productive running game and sound pass blocking was a historically subpar quarterback, how can anyone figure that he will fare any better without a productive running game and without sound pass blocking?
Our offense is unfortunate, without a doubt, but the troubles at quarterback this year have been overstated. Have we forgotten 2006 already? The 2006 Auburn game and 2009 Florida game are eerily similar. I'm not saying that Jefferson is going to become a top flight QB like Jamarcus Russell, or that he isn't too hesitant at this point, but perhaps playcalling and a substandard running game are the real issues here as they appear to have been back in that game in 2006?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:14 pm to RobbBobb
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But the wheels came off against Fla, but they saw JLee score in :47 sec. against them, and then another right after the half.
That's correct. I was there.
After we scored to open second half, the crowd was dead quiet. On UF's first series had Tebow in a 3rd and 3. Everybody in the stadium new he was going to run and our D never challenged him. He picked up like 8 and UF never looked back.
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We also realized we had no D at about this time, so coaches just tried to outscore teams. They also kept saying well Fl was #1, Well Ga was #1, Wow, we just played #1 Bama into OT. They never stopped pushing. When JLee went down they continued with the philosophy with JJ, but Arky and Ole Miss put the brakes on that very quickly. Its been a "take it slow" approach since.
Recall also, that if Mitchell catches the TD pass that hit him in the hands in the Bama game, we win easily and this conversation never happens.
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