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re: What coach in his right mind would come out and say that he's against...
Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:19 pm to RealityTiger
Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:19 pm to RealityTiger
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swear I think I'm dealing with Barack Obama.
Nooo, it's a thing I completely understand. But it's so simplistic and unrealistic, it's stupid to even suggest. And I love how you just glossed over the benefits already given to a football player on full scholarship. Makes me think you never even attended college. If you did, you would understand the value of having your tuition, housing, meals, and books paid for semester to semester. I thought putting a dollar sign behind it might give you a better idea, but apparently not.
There you go again with the ad hominem attacks. I'll just ignore those parts of your comment.
I understand the value of an athletic scholarship--you have been heard loud and clear. However, any form of spending money is not included in an athletic scholarship and being a D1 athlete is practically a job in addition to the necessary schoolwork.
I also think the idea that college athletes are regular students is a fallacy. These athletes are college players first and students second--at least in the major sports. Even though the NCAA hates anyone to even think about college athletes not being students first, college programs admit these players to play a sport, not to be a fantastic student. I think that definitely devalues the academic side of the athletic scholarship offer from the student-athletes' perspective. A college player plays the sport as a job and doesn't have time for much else.
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Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:21 pm to RealityTiger
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ETA: Or maybe daddy paid for it all for you so you're ignorant as to the actual costs of going to school.
You have no idea...
Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:22 pm to lynxcat
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college programs admit these players to play a sport, not to be a fantastic student
Link?
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A college player plays the sport as a job and doesn't have time for much else.
Link?
Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:25 pm to RealityTiger
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college programs admit these players to play a sport, not to be a fantastic student
Link?
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A college player plays the sport as a job and doesn't have time for much else.
Link?
What kind of link are you expecting?
You think admitting students with a 2.8 GPA and a 18 ACT is normal? The academic requirements for student athletes to be eligible are downright laughable.
Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:30 pm to RealityTiger
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you would understand the value of having your tuition, housing, meals, and books paid for semester to semester. I thought putting a dollar sign behind it might give you a better idea, but apparently not.
Normally, I would agree with this statement. Getting a college education for free is quiet a perk. But, college band members are paid monthly. And if band members get paid, then so should NCAA athletes. I mean it's not a lot, but I do think athletes should be paid a little something.
This post was edited on 6/10/11 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:32 pm to lynxcat
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What kind of link are you expecting?
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college programs admit these players to play a sport, not to be a fantastic student
Show me a quote, any quote, of any chancellor, coach, school president, or dean saying that anywhere.
Put your money where your mouth is, so to speak and show me - and then I'll stand corrected.
Oh wait, I forgot. I'm not thinking "outside the box". If thinking outside the box is dealing with unicorns and rainbows and anti-principles of business, then I don't think like you do, outside the box or not.
Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:36 pm to Chimlim
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But, college band members are paid monthly
Tiger Band members are paid $640/semester (it might be more now idk) - which is a very small unofficial "scholarship". And not all college band members are paid. That's just LSU that does that.
It's still half of what the monthly value comes out for what football players are given (as it should be).
Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:41 pm to RealityTiger
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Tiger Band members are paid $640/semester (it might be more now idk) - which is a very small unofficial "scholarship". And not all college band members are paid. That's just LSU that does that.
Why is it ok for band members to get paid a little something, but not athletes?
Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:42 pm to RealityTiger
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Show me a quote, any quote, of any chancellor, coach, school president, or dean saying that anywhere.
Put your money where your mouth is, so to speak and show me - and then I'll stand corrected.
Oh wait, I forgot. I'm not thinking "outside the box". If thinking outside the box is dealing with unicorns and rainbows and anti-principles of business, then I don't think like you do, outside the box or not.
The unspoken rule is evident in the NCAA a sliding scale for eligibility. Any respected academic institution would not admit these same players if it were not for their athletic abilities.
If college athletes were students first, then they would have to go through the exact same admission standards that every other student does.
Occasionally you will see some elite academic institutions that self-impose higher academic restrictions (Notre Dame and Stanford come to mind) but those are the exception.
This post was edited on 6/10/11 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 6/10/11 at 1:24 pm to lynxcat
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Any respected academic institution would not admit these same players if it were not for their athletic abilities
So what you are saying is that on top of free tuition, housing, food, books, tutors... They also get a free pass on their grades?
You're right, they should get paid too.
What was the point of this thread anyways? Bitching at people for being happy that Miles and TJ said what they should have said. Man, people really do bitch about anything here.
Posted on 6/10/11 at 1:31 pm to Chimlim
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Why is it ok for band members to get paid a little something, but not athletes
Athletes get a shitload more per semester than do band members:
tuition
books
meal plan
housing
tutors
Posted on 6/10/11 at 1:33 pm to lynxcat
The last I heard, only two athletic departments did not get subsidized in any way by their school. That was LSU and Nebraska.
I guess you could argue that they could reduce the amount they are paying the coaches to raise the funds, but I think you are still only talking the top 25 or so schools.
I think the top 64 football schools would be able to make this happen, if they only had to do it for the football players.
But this will not just be the football players. Title IX will be used to crucify any school who tried to make that distinction. Male athletes in "minor" sports would not be happy, but I don't think they have a stick like Title IX.
I guess you could argue that they could reduce the amount they are paying the coaches to raise the funds, but I think you are still only talking the top 25 or so schools.
I think the top 64 football schools would be able to make this happen, if they only had to do it for the football players.
But this will not just be the football players. Title IX will be used to crucify any school who tried to make that distinction. Male athletes in "minor" sports would not be happy, but I don't think they have a stick like Title IX.
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