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Posted on 5/3/12 at 9:17 am to Chimlim
JUST THINK GUY'S ABOUT OUR RECORD IN THE LAST 3 YEARS WITHOUT A qb. 
Posted on 5/3/12 at 9:20 am to Choctaw
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2008 and 2010 were 2 of the worst years i can remember for an LSU QB
2010 was about as bad as it got. in 08, even with their struggles, I felt both freshmen showed a good deal of promise. Jordan's regression in 2010 was outta the blue, and Les never benching him was bad for everybody involved IMO.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 9:22 am to Choctaw
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2008
Take away 2 pics in the alabama game and 1 vs uga and all of sudden 08 goes out the window.
For all the bad pics JL had in 2008 he had plenty of good throws too that people tend to forget.
Ive said it 100 times, Les should have stuck with Lee in 09.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 9:42 am to Penrod
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Gotta correct you on this. Hodson was the clear starter over Guidry. They would give Guidry one series per half, but Hodson was the man. As far as Wendall "making" Hodson? Davis had a great two years, but the timing routes were the bread and butter, and it takes two to make those work. It's not like Wendall was winning jump balls. And Davis only played Hodson's first two years. Hodson led LSU to an SEC Championship his junior year when Wendall wasn't even on the team. I agree with your basic point that Hodson wasn't good enough to be one of our best ever. He was a very good college QB, though. If we'd had him this past year...no, stop, STOP
Agreed!
Posted on 5/3/12 at 9:55 am to TIGRLEE
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Take away 2 pics in the alabama game and 1 vs uga and all of sudden 08 goes out the window.
come on, man. he threw 16 picks and barely had a 50% completion percentage. i know i wasn't the only one scared shitless every time he dropped back to pass. '08 and '10 were horrible
Posted on 5/3/12 at 9:55 am to The Mick
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The Mick
quote:= Captain Obvious.
Were the last 4 years the worst stretch of QB play in LSU history?
Posted on 5/3/12 at 9:56 am to TIGRLEE
quote:One decent game out of the last 3 of the year he said were worst in memory.
one decent game out of what?? fricking 30 something?
quote:There is no fight, only truth, and I don't take QB performances personal like some.
Keep fighting the good fight bro.
I wasn't bashing anyone, just pointing out truth.
Of course rantards like you will come out of the woodwork and exercise your hate when the truth doesn't fit.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 9:58 am to cajunjj
quote:We have a coach who is considered a master recruiter, a perennial top 10 team, great facilities, loyal fanbase, and are practically an NFL farm team.
JUST THINK GUY'S ABOUT OUR RECORD IN THE LAST 3 YEARS WITHOUT A qb.
Who's fault is that?
Posted on 5/3/12 at 9:59 am to Choctaw
Its funny crowton was the blame when JJs apologists came to bat, however JL's faults as a fresh were of his own... hmmmm
He made some bad throws. OBV.. however he made some clutch throws too.
IF you are gonna crucify the guy for the bad ones, seems to me its only fair to give him props for the clutch ones and there were plenty.
Ill say it again.. Les should have stayed with JL in 09.
He made some bad throws. OBV.. however he made some clutch throws too.
IF you are gonna crucify the guy for the bad ones, seems to me its only fair to give him props for the clutch ones and there were plenty.
Ill say it again.. Les should have stayed with JL in 09.
This post was edited on 5/3/12 at 10:00 am
Posted on 5/3/12 at 10:04 am to TIGRLEE
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Its funny crowton was the blame when JJs apologists came to bat, however JL's faults as a fresh were of his own... hmmmm
i never said they were his own.....we're talking about bad years, not who's to blame. i personally think that Crowton ruined Lee and JJ. although JJs attitude hurt him alot....which i don't think any coach was going to fix that.
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He made some bad throws. OBV.. however he made some clutch throws too.
sure...and so did JJ at times.
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Ill say it again.. Les should have stayed with JL in 09.
maybe...maybe not. i don't really care anymore. they're gone.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 10:09 am to TIGRLEE
quote:Lee had Homecoming and the perfect shot at redemption. I was pulling hard for him, but he really shite the bed.
Les should have stayed with JL in 09.
Lee should have played more after 11-5 also, but I don't pretend to know what was going on.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 10:10 am to Choctaw
Jarrett Lee had 15 touchdowns with 3 interceptions despite not playing the last 5 games of the year. That is pretty freaking good.
If Jefferson had those numbers his first 6 games starting then he never would have been benched ever and that is a fact.
To bad Miles plays favorites.
Oh, I was all for Davey to play and for Booty to get benched. Race has nothing to do with it. Lee was just better than Jefferson.
If Jefferson had those numbers his first 6 games starting then he never would have been benched ever and that is a fact.
To bad Miles plays favorites.
Oh, I was all for Davey to play and for Booty to get benched. Race has nothing to do with it. Lee was just better than Jefferson.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 10:12 am to ctiger69
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Jarrett Lee had 15 touchdowns with 3 interceptions despite not playing the last 5 games of the year. That is pretty freaking good.
If Jefferson had those numbers his first 6 games starting then he never would have been benched ever and that is a fact.
we're not talking about last season
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To bad Miles plays favorites.
yep...too bad. can we move on now?
Posted on 5/3/12 at 10:19 am to Choctaw
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yep...too bad. can we move on now?
Yep and it cost LSU a national championship.
Lee comes in at half time LSU has a chance to win. With Jefferson LSU had zero chances and it showed. Bama just copied the UGA game plan. Stop the run b/c the qb can not pass. Game Over.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 10:27 am to ctiger69
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Yep and it cost LSU a national championship.
not really. i don't think Lee was going to beat bama that night either....especially the way our o-line was playing.
not saying he shouldn't have been put it...because he definitely should have. i just don't think it would've made a difference.
oh well. win some, lose some
Posted on 5/3/12 at 10:40 am to The Mick
I'll give you the last two years combined because for whatever reason Jordan Jefferson regressed in 2010 then blew his chance to show improvement by getting suspended and benched for a substantial part of the 2011 season.
What we all wanted to see was Jefferson without all the sacks in 2009. That guy won 9 games (8 if you don't count LaTech) that year and had a decent stat line. If i'm right what really happened that season was that we lost Charles Scott to injury way too early.
What we did get to see was a more composed Jarrett Lee, the guy from 2008 without all the interceptions and forced passes. With the defense the last two years, both quarterbacks should have been able to produce with no pressure. But for whatever reason, only one really did.
What we all wanted to see was Jefferson without all the sacks in 2009. That guy won 9 games (8 if you don't count LaTech) that year and had a decent stat line. If i'm right what really happened that season was that we lost Charles Scott to injury way too early.
What we did get to see was a more composed Jarrett Lee, the guy from 2008 without all the interceptions and forced passes. With the defense the last two years, both quarterbacks should have been able to produce with no pressure. But for whatever reason, only one really did.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 10:45 am to Choctaw
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come on, man. he threw 16 picks and barely had a 50% completion percentage.
For the record, JL:
'08: completed 53% for 1,873 yds, 14 TD's and 16 ints.
'09: completed 40% for 197 yds, 2 TD's and 1 int.
'10-'11: completed 62% for 1,879 yds, 16 TD's and 4 ints.
As someone noted, his performance vs LaTech in '09 was among the worst I've seen by an LSU QB. But when you look at his #'s over the last two seasons, not bad at all.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 10:57 am to ctiger69
quote:14TDs
Jarrett Lee had 15 touchdowns with 3 interceptions despite not playing the last 5 games of the year.
quote:Almost a fact.
If Jefferson had those numbers his first 6 games starting then he never would have been benched ever and that is a fact.
Jefferson had 13TDs and 4 int by the same point in 2009.
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Lee was just better than Jefferson.
Where lies this huge chasm?
Career Comp
Lee 56.1%
JJ 58.6%
RAT
Lee 126.1
JJ 127.8
INTs
Lee 21
JJ 20
ypg
Lee 101.3
JJ 112.7
Just sayin
Posted on 5/3/12 at 11:06 am to Mayhawman
I looked up JJ's #'s on wikipedia. I thought he showed peomise in '08, played well in '09, but regressed the last two seasons. I don't blame JJ. He always played hard and as far as I know ran the plays he was called to run or audibled as allowed.
Surprised to see the following quote from wikipedia on JJ.
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"He started the last few games of the year returning a previously productive offense to its 2010 woes."
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