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re: We should claim the 2011 National Title
Posted on 1/31/18 at 11:50 am to dukke v
Posted on 1/31/18 at 11:50 am to dukke v
IMO we need a 6 team playoff.
all p5 conf champs and 1 at large bid.
the at large bid will be chosen by computers using SOS.
that way the coaches and players have 100% control over making the playoffs and there is a set criteria for every p5 program to make the playoff.
right now the coaches and players aren't really in control over whether or not they even make the playoff. it's voted on by voters that can use one set of criteria one year and then deem that same criteria meaningless the very next year.
all p5 conf champs and 1 at large bid.
the at large bid will be chosen by computers using SOS.
that way the coaches and players have 100% control over making the playoffs and there is a set criteria for every p5 program to make the playoff.
right now the coaches and players aren't really in control over whether or not they even make the playoff. it's voted on by voters that can use one set of criteria one year and then deem that same criteria meaningless the very next year.
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Posted on 1/31/18 at 11:51 am to dukke v
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Name me one team that had a better offense than Okie st . That we played that year... Oregon maybe??? Maybe??????
Oregon and WVU were similar to OSU.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 11:54 am to Rickdaddy4188
I’m fine with 4 I’d just limit it to top 4 conference winners or an Independent if they are in the top 4. I actually like the committee MUCH better than the polls. If there was also a computer or mathematical model that could be included that would be better.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 11:55 am to dukke v
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Name me one team that had a better offense than Okie st . That we played that year... Oregon maybe??? Maybe??????
Oklahoma State in 2011 played against 1 defense in the top 30 the entire regular season. Texas and they held them to season low of 420 yards.
the 2nd best defense they faced all year was ranked 49th in total defense.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 11:58 am to H-Town Tiger
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I’m fine with 4 I’d just limit it to top 4 conference winners or an Independent if they are in the top 4.
that too subjective for me. but I'll probably never get my wish. i don't like that players and coaches aren't in control of their own destiny with just 4 spots.
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 1/31/18 at 12:05 pm to Rickdaddy4188
You didn't answer the question.... what if any offense was better tha OSU that we played that year???? You are the number and stats guy show us that OSU would not have been the best offense we would have played.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 12:09 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Really they are, if 5 teams went undefeated you’d have a mess but that’s never happened. By including all conference winners you run the risk of a mediocre team winning the CCG. Wisconsin won the B1G CG 1 year at 8-5 (I realize OSU and PSU were on probation that year)
ETA I had looked at all the years of the BCS and the lowest ranked 4th conference winners was 10th, ironically that was 2011 Wisconsin
ETA I had looked at all the years of the BCS and the lowest ranked 4th conference winners was 10th, ironically that was 2011 Wisconsin
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 1/31/18 at 12:12 pm to dukke v
Just looked it up Ok St was #2 in points scored (Houston was #1, Oregon 3rd. They were 3rd in Yards Oregon was 4
Posted on 1/31/18 at 12:13 pm to dukke v
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You didn't answer the question.... what if any offense was better tha OSU that we played that year??
I did. Oklahoma State offense looked great because they played 1 defense all year ranked in the top 48.
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You are the number and stats guy show us that OSU would not have been the best offense we would have played.
we played an offense in Oregon that was 1 spot lower than OSU and we held them to season lows(almost 200 yards lower than their season average) in yards and 1st downs.
Oregon and Oklahoma State were ranked similarly while Oregon played against 4 defenses in the top 48. OSU played 1.
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 1/31/18 at 12:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Really they are, if 5 teams went undefeated you’d have a mess but that’s never happened.
but they aren't. if all conf champs have 1 loss it's subjective. picking between 2 teams with 1 loss is subjective. that not having control.
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By including all conference winners you run the risk of a mediocre team winning the CCG.
I admit my way has flaws too but at least it's not subjective. you can't get voted into the conf cg.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 12:28 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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agreed but once you find a special coach, an administration going all in is necessary to maintain an elite program. we don't have that here.
I really don’t agree. What restrictions were there on Miles that were unreasonable? He was able to hire and pay assistants top dollar. Maybe not as many analysts? Did they reject any requested upgrades to facilities aside from the Nutrition Center?
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agreed but there is no excuse for bama's recruiting budget being 8 TIMES what lsu's is.
That depends is it 8x because LSUs budget has decreased of because Bama has over spent? They are also on a different level now and They are recruiting nationally. They have a QB from freaking Hawaii. That’s a kid that’s at Oregon Washington or Arizona maybe in the past
That’s how you build the greatest dynasty ever but it’s not necessary to be an elite program.
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are you sure it wasn't just the highest paid coordinators?
That’s what I meant but Miles was still a top 5-10 paid coach and the offer for Herman was in that ballpark
This post was edited on 1/31/18 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 1/31/18 at 12:29 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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but they aren't. if all conf champs have 1 loss it's subjective. picking between 2 teams with 1 loss is subjective. that not having control.
Has that ever happened? And you do have control because you could avoid that by not losing or playing a better OOC schedule
ETA: I just realized 2014 it happened
FSU was unbeaten tOSU, Oregon Bama and Baylor were all 1 lossThis post was edited on 1/31/18 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 1/31/18 at 12:59 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I also always wondered if it was Oklahoma or Texas rather than Ok State who would have been in? Or if it was Miss St or Arkansas rather than Alabama? My guess is no rematch.
I've said this exact same thing since the 2011 NC game match up was announced. If you were to put Arkansas, Auburn, Georgia or any other SEC team in Bama's spot that year, Oklahoma State goes because all the "experts" would have said "Okie State had a better resume than, pick a team not named Alabama", and they would have also said "Okie State won their conference, team x didn't even win their respective division in their conference."
In my opinion, if Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC and perhaps a few other teams had been in Ok. State's position, That team would have gone to the National Championship.
Oklahoma State was left out because they're Oklahoma State. And Bama was chosen because they're Bama.
I'll never be convinced otherwise.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:05 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:Arky right on their heels.
Oregon and WVU were similar to OSU.
So that's 3 in 2011 top 15 ppg and not a stretch to think LSU could have handled OSU.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:14 pm to rbdallas
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I had never seen an LSU coach/team surrender, but Miles did it.
I feel like Miles surrender that night, but not the team. It was still a close game until late in the 4th quarter.
The only other time I can recall an LSU football team or coaches quit during a game was this past year against Mississippi State. The entire team, coaches and players surrendered that night.
Actually, after thinking about it, I also feel like Saban quit during the bowl game against Iowa in 2004.
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:35 pm to earl keese
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In my opinion, if Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC and perhaps a few other teams had been in Ok. State's position, That team would have gone to the National Championship. Oklahoma State was left out because they're Oklahoma State. And Bama was chosen because they're Bama.
Could not agree more. It’s also interesting how the argument shifts. 2011 for Alabama it was all about the “eyeball” test and quality of loss. This year over Ohio St and Wisconsin it was resume and to a degree quality of loss
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:39 pm to earl keese
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Actually, after thinking about it, I also feel like Saban quit during the bowl game against Iowa in 2004.
I’ve argued at the time he should not have coached that game but I don’t think he quit, remember the benched Russell but put him in in the 2nd Half we lost on a Hail Mary with 2 clear holds on Iowa
Posted on 1/31/18 at 1:57 pm to H-Town Tiger
Current count is 106 upvotes 129 down. Seems like this may gain steam one day and we can claim it
Posted on 1/31/18 at 2:04 pm to earl keese
The team may not have quit but you could tell they were frustrated by how things were going and that Miles did not attempt to make any adjustments... the score may have been 15-0 but it frlt like we're down by 30.....
As far as the MSU game this year... I don't think the team quit... they just were not ready and took MSU for granted... I blame that on the coaching staff.... and once they got snaked in the mouth they felt it the rest of the game... losing Guice made things worse.....
As far as the MSU game this year... I don't think the team quit... they just were not ready and took MSU for granted... I blame that on the coaching staff.... and once they got snaked in the mouth they felt it the rest of the game... losing Guice made things worse.....
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