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Posted on 1/10/17 at 7:49 pm to StealthCalais11
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At the end of the day that team will be forgotten. No one remembers second place. Hell, I was having a conversation about LAST year's CSW and no one in the group could remember who Coastal Carolina played in the championship.
So now lsu winning the sec title is a forgettable season?
Posted on 1/10/17 at 7:53 pm to buccaneer88
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Yes they were.
No they werent...
The only peoplethat thought bama deserved a shot was gumps.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 7:56 pm to atltiger6487
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huge difference - ND wasn't Alabama's equal that year. They were simply an inferior team that got exposed. I don't define that as "crapping the bed."
Of course you dont.
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2011 LSU was Bama's equal, which makes our performance on 1/9/12 far, far worse than ND.
No its doesnt.
Losing 21-0 isnt crapping the bed more than being down 35-0 midway through 3rd quarter.
I know some lsu fans wont admit it but Bama was the better team in 2011.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:06 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Notice that Louisiana is the darkest shade of red of all the southern states.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:08 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Bama was the slightly better overall team due to a superior QB. I think we can all admit this now. If they had played a third time, LSU still wouldn't have scored a TD. This does NOT mean Bama deserved a rematch though. Superior teams lose all the time. That's why the games are played. Otherwise we'd just look at recruiting rankings and NFL draft boards.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:50 pm to damnedoldtigah
quote:See, I'm going to go take a different view of this: Les knew we were fricked as soon as the rematch happened.
I never bothered watching a taped replay of that game. It had been a long time since I had seen LSU that impotent. Les Miles should have had enough brains to know that Saban was prepping for a rematch the moment after the 9-6 loss. What worked then was not going to work on 1/9/12. Saban knew that. Miles did not have a clue.
Sure, he said the noble things (we welcome the chance to play them again, etc), but the truth is, we were in big trouble.
The 9-6 game, we came out with Lee. Bama absolutely squashed that plan, as bad or worse than they stopped us this season. Lee running a pro-style offense was NEVER going to move the ball, and unlike Etling, Lee would toss the ball up for grabs and get INTs under duress.
Our D held things close, like it did this season. That year, Les had an ace in the hole: an experienced, mobile QB. No, JJ wasn't DeShaun Watson, but he could escape the line and move things around, and run a completely different offense than Lee could. Les stuck him in, it worked, and we came away with the W.
That was a bold move, one that should have been lauded as a brilliant in-game decision. It SHOULD have been the key stroke to a championship season. It allowed us to beat one of the greatest teams in football history, on the road.
The problem was, the rematch talk materialized early. The press wanted it and Bama, much like they wanted Brett Favre and Minnesota to go to the Superbowl in 2009 (and remember how, after the Saints won in OT, we got the Favre Rule, where teams can't win OT just by taking the kick and moving to a FG).
So, Les wasn't even into the locker room that night before we started hearing about a rematch. Les is no dummy, he realized the only chance we'd have in a rematch is if he could make JJ a passer, with his mobility (in other words, the Clemson QB), so he played him the rest of the season to try to make it happen as best he could.
It didn't work, but it was the only chance he had. The defense didn't play poorly, we held them to FGs, and it was still a 2 score game midway through the 4th quarter. If JJ could make a play, we had a chance. There were no further adjustments to be made.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:05 pm to Scoob
One of the biggest blunders Miles ever made was on the field after that game at Alabama in 2011. He was asked about a rematch, and he replied that he would welcome it. That was stupid. He should have replied something along the lines of, "Why should we? We just won on their home field, and if we win out and win the SEC championship, we should be able to face a conference champion from another quality league." His open willingness opened the door to that talk, when he could have started lobbying against it as soon as the game ended. Saban would have done that.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:06 pm to Rickdaddy4188
There is no question... and Miles got out coached bigtime.... it was a horrible performance by a real good team....
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:23 pm to lsu2006
Watch it again , they drove the ball all night , we never stopped that tight end pass
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:28 pm to nitwit
Yet he lasted 4 more years! Unforgivable!!
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:37 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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What? The very next season notre dame crapped the bed harder
Agree to disagree. I look at not crossing the 50 as a much bigger fail. ND lost by an extra TD but they also had a couple of long scoring drives.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:40 pm to karmew32
The SEC championship game vs Georgia was the beginning of the end. LSU played the worst 3 quarters in the last 5 years that game. Only difference was Bama did it for 4 quarters. LSU did not even get one first down until in the 3 quarter vs Georgia.. And Les Miles refused to put in their 8-0 undefeated senior quarterback. That was the beginning of the end. Special teams and a few big runs saved LSU that day but the damage was done. Les was not going to change quarterbacks ever and give LSU a chance to win the national championship. Les Miles forever embarrassed LSU and ruined our greatest season ever because he was afraid to win.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:41 pm to Captain Want
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One of the biggest blunders Miles ever made was on the field after that game at Alabama in 2011. He was asked about a rematch, and he replied that he would welcome it. That was stupid. He should have replied something along the lines of, "Why should we? We just won on their home field, and if we win out and win the SEC championship, we should be able to face a conference champion from another quality league." His open willingness opened the door to that talk, when he could have started lobbying against it as soon as the game ended. Saban would have done that.
That was literally the only thing we did wrong. Everything else was outside of our control.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:47 pm to lsusa
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LSU got screwed by having to beat a conference opponent it had already beaten. LSU's win was essentially nullified - LSU's "reward" for beating Bama on its home field was to play an extra game vs UGA and then give Bama a do over.
fricking this. Goddamn eyeball test bullshite. POS ESPN heads talking it up.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:56 pm to karmew32
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We always lament about 1/9/12
Well, don't worry, hoss. You got company now for 1/9. FML
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:00 pm to karmew32
I've said this two other times in the past. My seat mate for the game was Coach Bowden. We discussed how unfair the whole rematch was. We discussed when he would have tried something new. I know that most on here know better than that washed up old coach but he really thought our coach was pretty pathethic that night. He tried to be diplomatic.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:01 pm to Captain Want
quote:Well, honestly, any answer could be good or bad.
One of the biggest blunders Miles ever made was on the field after that game at Alabama in 2011. He was asked about a rematch, and he replied that he would welcome it. That was stupid. He should have replied something along the lines of, "Why should we? We just won on their home field, and if we win out and win the SEC championship, we should be able to face a conference champion from another quality league." His open willingness opened the door to that talk, when he could have started lobbying against it as soon as the game ended. Saban would have done that.
I think Les wanted to maximize the profit from that game; Alabama is great and we just beat them. This way, you've basically guaranteed you get into the BCS even if you lose a game later in the season, since you beat the best other candidate head-to-head.
Remember, this wasn't the title game, it was still mid-season. Our 2 previous title appearances, we were the 2nd team in, not the first. Talking up Bama after beating them strengthened our position, in the event we were fighting to be the 2nd team in, later on down the road.
The problem was, it turned out that we didn't compete with anyone to get in. It was Alabama who was the team fighting with others to get in.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:03 pm to Scoob
That is well said. People bitch about the game plan when there was simply no game plan that was ever going to work for LSU. Not with those QBs. Yes he should've tried Lee or even Mett. But we all know it wouldn't have mattered and that's why my bigger beef is with the rematch not with Les.
I remember the live feed when the rematch was announced. The Bama players were pumped and going nuts. The LSU players were quite unenthused.
I remember the live feed when the rematch was announced. The Bama players were pumped and going nuts. The LSU players were quite unenthused.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:08 pm to Scoob
Yeah I don't hold that statement against Les. Probably most coaches would've said something similar.
The only fault I find with Les in 2011 is not having a better QB ready. Of course that issue plagued him many years. But considering the QBs he had, it was a masterful coaching job and brilliant season. One of the best college defenses I've ever seen, a defense that was tested by better offenses than what Bama faced.
The only fault I find with Les in 2011 is not having a better QB ready. Of course that issue plagued him many years. But considering the QBs he had, it was a masterful coaching job and brilliant season. One of the best college defenses I've ever seen, a defense that was tested by better offenses than what Bama faced.
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