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re: Watched the replay - dang the offense is dysfunctional
Posted on 11/12/09 at 11:00 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Posted on 11/12/09 at 11:00 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Tiger_n_ATL, did you not see the stats i posted about the bama game? can you not see the improvement on offense? oh wait, that's all the players' talent. nothing to do with coaching.
and then you lump the brilliant miles argument in with that. you honestly don't think the team is better than last season? this is chavis' first year and the offense is improving.
i even pointed out that the stats are going to be misleading because the offense faced the top two defenses in the conference.
miles has consistently hired solid coordinators. he keeps lsu off the ncaa radar. his graduation rate isn't last in the sec. his players stay out of trouble for the most part. he's beaten some very, very good coaches head to head. he's consistently proven that he's one of the best recruiters in the game. what more does the guy have to do for people to not say we have a problem at head coach? the superlatives FAR outweigh the negative
and then you lump the brilliant miles argument in with that. you honestly don't think the team is better than last season? this is chavis' first year and the offense is improving.
i even pointed out that the stats are going to be misleading because the offense faced the top two defenses in the conference.
miles has consistently hired solid coordinators. he keeps lsu off the ncaa radar. his graduation rate isn't last in the sec. his players stay out of trouble for the most part. he's beaten some very, very good coaches head to head. he's consistently proven that he's one of the best recruiters in the game. what more does the guy have to do for people to not say we have a problem at head coach? the superlatives FAR outweigh the negative
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Posted on 11/12/09 at 11:00 am to Abdullah the Butcher
quote:
Crowton is god awful, more so than most people realize.
Miles said that he hired the best OC in the country when he hired Crowton.
Miles also said this is the best OL that he has seen at LSU.
Maybe there is another problem.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 11:02 am to yallallcrazy
quote:you're expecting the rant to have perspective which is obviously not reasonable
But good gravy, folks, the sky is NOT falling. Even the best NFL offense, possibly ever if they continue on pace, has these types of issues.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 5:58 pm to bfniii
LSU is 15th in
Fewest Yards Penalized Per Game Category
...and 46th in Fewest Penalties Per Game Category
Not great but not horrible.
It does suggest, I suppose, that we are picking up a good number of 5 yard penalties-- probably of the offensive sort in question here.
We'd need the actual break down about the number of offensive procedure/false start problems-- which are real and problematic, and which are probably caused by a very (overly?) complex scheme (with many substitutions) being executed by average-level intelligence college students.
Still, for overall comparison-- the two best teams: Alabama is 40/43 and Florida 20/56 in the two categories.
(Also looks like Kentucky is the most disciplined team in the conference).
LSU is averaging 43.8 yds. per game in penalties this year in comparison 49.9 from last year.
Again, the relevant stat is how many of these yards are coming from offensive sort or errors in question here, but as real as the problem is and as irritating as it is, its doubtful that the problem is as bad as some of us would pretend.
Nonetheless, penalties aside...I cannot argue that the offense doesn't seems dysfunctional.
Simplify, Gary!
Simplify until you have a quarterback/field general who can get players lined up correctly.
Fewest Yards Penalized Per Game Category
...and 46th in Fewest Penalties Per Game Category
Not great but not horrible.
It does suggest, I suppose, that we are picking up a good number of 5 yard penalties-- probably of the offensive sort in question here.
We'd need the actual break down about the number of offensive procedure/false start problems-- which are real and problematic, and which are probably caused by a very (overly?) complex scheme (with many substitutions) being executed by average-level intelligence college students.
Still, for overall comparison-- the two best teams: Alabama is 40/43 and Florida 20/56 in the two categories.
(Also looks like Kentucky is the most disciplined team in the conference).
LSU is averaging 43.8 yds. per game in penalties this year in comparison 49.9 from last year.
Again, the relevant stat is how many of these yards are coming from offensive sort or errors in question here, but as real as the problem is and as irritating as it is, its doubtful that the problem is as bad as some of us would pretend.
Nonetheless, penalties aside...I cannot argue that the offense doesn't seems dysfunctional.
Simplify, Gary!
Simplify until you have a quarterback/field general who can get players lined up correctly.
This post was edited on 11/12/09 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 11/12/09 at 6:06 pm to ATR
The best thing I can say about the offensive coaching is the lack of turnovers this year. Way less INTs of course from last year, but also way fewer fumbles than a few years ago. But yeah, Crowton gotta go. Too many other teams are scoring boatloads of points with way less talent.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 6:11 pm to biglego
quote:i guess you don't realize that those two statements pretty much conflict.
Way less INTs of course from last year, but also way fewer fumbles than a few years ago. But yeah, Crowton gotta go
Posted on 11/12/09 at 6:18 pm to bfniii
quote:Yes, I saw them. The team is consistently getting better. My problem is that they started near the bottom and are staying there statistically.
Tiger_n_ATL, did you not see the stats i posted about the bama game? can you not see the improvement on offense? oh wait, that's all the players' talent. nothing to do with coaching.
quote:Good points and I don't have a problem with any of that, and never criticize Miles for any of that.
miles has consistently hired solid coordinators. he keeps lsu off the ncaa radar. his graduation rate isn't last in the sec. his players stay out of trouble for the most part. he's beaten some very, very good coaches head to head. he's consistently proven that he's one of the best recruiters in the game.
quote:Better gameday coaching, better use of talent, better game management, better gameplanning.
what more does the guy have to do for people to not say we have a problem at head coach?
Posted on 11/12/09 at 6:36 pm to Choupique19
quote:
You answered your own question.
Crowton tries to be too fancy, too cute, and tries to outsmart the defense instead of just letting your playmakers do their thing. Hannagrif said last night that whenever LSU just calls a play quickly, goes to the line of scrimmage and just runs a play, we generally have success.
Remember our last timeout, the 3rd and 2 when it looked like Saban called a timeout. CBS showed Saban fussing at the officials. What was he fussing about, it was about LSU's late substitution that is designed to catch the defense offguard. How'd that tricky move pan out? We had to call our own last timeout because the playclock was running out, or we were confused. We tricked ourselves into burning a timeout, and on top of that we tried to ram a 3rd and 2 iso play right into Bama's strength, their d-line and linebackers.
It is mind boggling that this offense ranks dead last in the SEC and ranks in the 100's nationally. That is a serious misuse of talent.
You hit the nail on the head.
With all the talent we have we should be throwing all over people like Houston and Cinci, and running all over people like GT and Bama
Posted on 11/12/09 at 6:58 pm to Datbayoubengal
I guess everybody thinks we have a monopoly on talent.
we have a green qb starter this year. Until the auburn game, we really havne't aired the ball out that much.
And alot of it is getting shep involved with so many postitions. I think his role could be simplified, but where would you put him and have him stay there?
Besides some problems lining up, the penalties on offense are overblown. Crowton is doing the best he can with the expierience he has at fullback, oline, and quaterback.
We have played probably the HARDEST schedule in the sec. and definitley some of the best defenses.
Keep some of this in perspective. The offense should role next year. We should have the most complete team since 2006!!!
get rid of crowton??
Unbelievable, some of you are.
we have a green qb starter this year. Until the auburn game, we really havne't aired the ball out that much.
And alot of it is getting shep involved with so many postitions. I think his role could be simplified, but where would you put him and have him stay there?
Besides some problems lining up, the penalties on offense are overblown. Crowton is doing the best he can with the expierience he has at fullback, oline, and quaterback.
We have played probably the HARDEST schedule in the sec. and definitley some of the best defenses.
Keep some of this in perspective. The offense should role next year. We should have the most complete team since 2006!!!
get rid of crowton??
Unbelievable, some of you are.
Posted on 11/13/09 at 8:53 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:how many more great coaches does les have to beat for you not to say this? how many more wins? i'll never forget the criticism tuberville got after the '07 and '08 games against lsu and he's supposedly a much better coach than miles. yet, you're still wanting better gameday coaching. miles needs to be better than who?
Better gameday coaching, better game management, better gameplanning
quote:completely subjective rhetoric
better use of talent
Posted on 11/13/09 at 8:56 am to Datbayoubengal
quote:yeah, because sec defenses allow this to happen all the time
With all the talent we have we should be throwing all over people like Houston and Cinci
quote:bama is nothing like gt and there's no way gt would consistently pile up over 200 yards rushing if they were in the sec
running all over people like GT and Bama
Posted on 11/13/09 at 9:04 am to bfniii
quote:Miles is a better coach than Tubby. If you really need me to recant the last 5 years in which Miles has blown timeouts, substitutions, played the wrong player at the wrong time, I really can't help you. It's been documented ad nauseum both here and elsewhere.
how many more great coaches does les have to beat for you not to say this? how many more wins? i'll never forget the criticism tuberville got after the '07 and '08 games against lsu and he's supposedly a much better coach than miles.
Posted on 11/13/09 at 9:12 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:not according to every coach ranking this decade
Miles is a better coach than Tubby
quote:you're missing the point. all teams/coaches make mistakes. ALL OF THEM. why are people harping on the few things miles does wrong, ignoring all the things he's doing right and using that as justification for saying we need a change?
If you really need me to recant the last 5 years in which Miles has blown timeouts, substitutions, played the wrong player at the wrong time, I really can't help you. It's been documented ad nauseum both here and elsewhere.
he's won a boatload of games and consistently beaten coaches who always show up ahead of him on coach rankings. OH, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE TALENT. so when other coaches win, it's coaching. when miles wins it's merely the talent.
my point is this: REPLACE HIM WITH WHO? every coach that could be named has flaws or is unproven at the highest level.
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