re: Was the LSU passing Offense that better in '08 than '09

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LSU's Starting QB 2008 CMP-143 ATT-269 YARDS-1873 CMP%-53.2 YPA-6.96 LNG-66 TD-13 INT-16 Sacks-8 Rating-115.70 LSU's Starting QB 2009 CMP-169 ATT-272 -YARDS-1964 CMP%-62.1 YPA-7.22 LNG-58 TDs-16 INT-6 Sacks-32 Rating-137.79

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This is why LSU finishing 107th in completely unacceptable.

Because this is the 2nd year in a row of shite show.

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Counting the one game he started, and won, this year, Lee's record as a starting QB is now 6-6. Jefferson 2-yr. record as a starter is 9-4 (counting a bowl win, last season with one more game to play).
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The defense was a wee bit better in most of Jefferson's starts as compared to Lee's. That said, neither has developed as well as one would like at this point and I am sure that includes themselves and the coaches. Arguing over which is better is like arguing whether the Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson should start. Someone needs to step up and perform better next year.

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and we've won 2 more games than last year.

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Due primarily to a much better defensive effort and scheme. With Herman and Helms on this years team the Tigers could very well be in a BCS game if not the title game. It's a huge part of the college game that your players move on quickly and every team hits a cycle where the talent level declines. LSU found out the last couple of years at QB, OL and DT and probably will begin to inprove in all three areas next season. Florida is about to descend into such a cycle next season IMO. It just happens, regardless of coaching styles or changes. The best coaches have pliable schemes that squeeze maximum effort from their charges and utilize the skills that are available. This is the area I see Les and Gary have been weak in. When the horses are there to execute their primary game plans they have proven they can win it all. But not being prepared to change their schemes enough to hide deficiencies(like inexperienced QB's and green OL) has brought on the justified wrath of Tiger Nation. It remains to be seen if these old dogs can learn a new trick.

First of all you'd have to roll in Hatch's starts in '08 to be totally accurate. Lee threw too many int's but then again JJ was not asked to make half as many difficult throws. JL avoided more sacks than JJ but also threw some of those int's to do so. JJ is more mobile but inexplicably at times took sacks by backing out of the pocket. JL has a much smoother, quicker release but JJ was not as prone to throw into double coverage. Pros and cons for both players. Both suffered from what I deem to be inadequate modification of the play-calling to utilize their specific talents while minimizing their vulnerablility. If JL had been asked to only make the throws that JJ had called this season his int's would have been cut in half and his completion percentage would have been higher. On the other hand, had GC and Les not overcompensated in trimming the play book(IMO) then JJ could possibly have hit a few more big plays to ignite the anemic offense. By hitting more passes downfield, the running game could have been closer to what it was in '08. Hell, you can go on and on with the "what ifs" for ages. So many variables apply to every season, it's really apples and oranges to compare them at best.

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JJ 's stats top any post-2000 LSU soph qb I can find.

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Only in the much over-hyped QB rating. Russell and Flynn's Sophomore campaign, they combined for 2900 yards, 22 TD passes and only 10 int's. They were both better than JJ and JL and most every other team's QB's for that matter. RP will be in the NFL next season and we'll be trying to recall how it felt to have 3 future NFL QB's playing in the same year ('06). Of course it didn't turn out so well for Dinardo in '99. Booty, Davey and Nall all made it briefly to the big show but Dinardo and the worst Tiger D ever found ways to lose.

My bad. LSU QBs were sacked 24 times in '08, not 22 as I posted last night.

So, here's how the post should've read:
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In 2008, LSU QBs were sacked a total of 24 times in 13 games.

J. Lee had 10 of them, 5 in the 8 games he started.
Hatch had 5, in the 3 games he started.
Jefferson had 9, 6 of them in the 2 games he started.

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JLee was not the starter. He was the #2QB. And thrown under the bus after Hatch went down. Hes an LSU athlete that was booed by immature pricks. But JJ was the starter, for the entire yr, and he produced the worst offense in memory.

And you're defending that. By comparing him to the 2nd string QB from another yr. So your argument is, JJ is proved his worth by producing similar or worse numbers to a 2nd string QB. yeah, right.
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the mans got a point...

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No he doesn't (whoever that "man" is).
Scroll up a bit and take a look at how Hatch and Lee pretty much shared the position.

And, it wasn't like this season, in which JJ won the starting job and Lee was then a "real" No. 2 QB, and would have hardly played at all until JJ got hurt in the Alabama game. Lee was horrible and not ready to take over in that one, nor was he even close to being adequate the following week in his lone start (7 for 22, or something like that?).

As for as being "thrown under the bus after Hatch went down," does anyone here have any idea what this "man" is talking about? Hatch got hurt, Lee (LSU's only other QB with any experience) took his place. Period.

What this International "Man" of Mystery posted above is that he's still really raw about the booing issue w/JL (and I agree, 'cos it ain't right). However, this crap about JJ "producing" LSU's "worst offense in memory" also ain't right, and this brain-donor damn well knows it. That was a team effort, and nothing at all like JL's meltdown of record proportions in '08. What Jefferson and the rest of his teammates (including JL, who started a game and won it, ugly or not) did "produce" was a 9-3 record (so far), with one more to go vs. Penn State.

Finally, the most important "numbers" in football are the ones on the scoreboard when the game is over, and the ones in your team's won-loss record. That would be 9-3, at the moment, as opposed to the 7-5 reg. season record last year.