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re: Update TJ is a candidate for Utah job w/link
Posted on 3/13/11 at 4:08 am to saintsfan22
Posted on 3/13/11 at 4:08 am to saintsfan22
Oh it's risky
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Posted on 3/13/11 at 8:29 am to Factsman
well, i think this pretty much sums up that trent is a pretty well thought of coach. i think he was as good of hire as lsu could have made at the time. this would certainly hurt if he left. obryant would be free to re-open his recruitment. any progress we have made toward the 12 class or talley would be gone.
i know there are some here who would love for this to happen. however, this is the worse thing that could happen.
i know there are some here who would love for this to happen. however, this is the worse thing that could happen.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 9:10 am to dos crystal
If I'm Trent, I leave.
He's seen the best it'll be. Have a dominant team, and you can get the stands about 80% full.... of bandwagoners.
Have a subpar team (because, you know... in every league, in every sport, every team has a winning season every year...) and you have ZERO support, and people calling for your head.
Utah is a good school, a good basketball school with some history, and I'm sure he'd do well.
I like Trent, and I'm able to look past "ZOMG we lost AGAIN!", and can see that he's building an actual program here which we haven't had since the early '90s, so I'd hate to see him go...
But if I were him, I'd GTFO while the getting was good.
He's seen the best it'll be. Have a dominant team, and you can get the stands about 80% full.... of bandwagoners.
Have a subpar team (because, you know... in every league, in every sport, every team has a winning season every year...) and you have ZERO support, and people calling for your head.
Utah is a good school, a good basketball school with some history, and I'm sure he'd do well.
I like Trent, and I'm able to look past "ZOMG we lost AGAIN!", and can see that he's building an actual program here which we haven't had since the early '90s, so I'd hate to see him go...
But if I were him, I'd GTFO while the getting was good.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 9:34 am to Sheep
How can anyone be interested in a coach who has lost 41 games in two years is a joke. I know he and the Utah guy are friends but they just fired a guy who had 2 losing seasons in a row. Wow Utah seems to have higher standards in bb than we do. we are okay with two debacles and maybe a third one coming. Go west TJ where you are more in your enviroment cause the south aint't working for you. GO WEST...Go West please.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 9:37 am to Sheep
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I like Trent, and I'm able to look past "ZOMG we lost AGAIN!", and can see that he's building an actual program here
I'm certainly not saying you are wrong, but where exactly is the evidence of this? How do you "see" it exactly?
Posted on 3/13/11 at 9:59 am to jr33
How convenient that you don't include the SEC Championship and the work he did at Nevada and Stanford! People who actually know basketball actually respect Trent and his coaching ability.
I will take their word and expertise over yours any day jr33!
For the record, I feel he should be given one more year to see if his way of rebuilding LSU will work or not. If it doesn't, we should mutually part ways.
I will take their word and expertise over yours any day jr33!
For the record, I feel he should be given one more year to see if his way of rebuilding LSU will work or not. If it doesn't, we should mutually part ways.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 10:01 am to Hot Carl
One primary issue (among many) at this point is depth of talent.
There were a lot of guys that played the last two years who are role players... 5-7 minute a game guys, who were playing starter's minutes. Which you can work around, but when your team is 6 or 7 role players instead of one or two, you're going to have BIG problems.
Green and White are a great example. They would be serviceable as #3 and 4 big men. In fact, that pair would probably be better than most backup big men in the SEC. This year, one or both started every game.
IF (and it's a pretty big IF) Trent can get a quality PG next year, you can spread our "talent" out, and the team starts looking a whole lot better.
I posted this in one of the 567 "I Hate Basketball" threads:
That looks like a team that could compete to me, and what a "built program" looks like.
We had too many one dimensional players playing together the last two years. If we can spread those guys out, we'll be better.
There were a lot of guys that played the last two years who are role players... 5-7 minute a game guys, who were playing starter's minutes. Which you can work around, but when your team is 6 or 7 role players instead of one or two, you're going to have BIG problems.
Green and White are a great example. They would be serviceable as #3 and 4 big men. In fact, that pair would probably be better than most backup big men in the SEC. This year, one or both started every game.
IF (and it's a pretty big IF) Trent can get a quality PG next year, you can spread our "talent" out, and the team starts looking a whole lot better.
I posted this in one of the 567 "I Hate Basketball" threads:
quote:
1st unit: PG?, Turner, Warren (assuming he could handle the 3), O'Bryant, Hamilton
2nd unit: Stringer, Dotson, Derenbecker, White, Green
Others: Bass, Ludwig, Courtney, Isaac
That looks like a team that could compete to me, and what a "built program" looks like.
We had too many one dimensional players playing together the last two years. If we can spread those guys out, we'll be better.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 10:09 am to Hardwood Tiger
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How convenient that you don't include the SEC Championship and the work he did at Nevada and Stanford! People who actually know basketball actually respect Trent and his coaching ability.
1. He inherited an SEC championship squad at LSU.
2. Stanford - underachieved slightly from the great Stanford run under Mike Montgomery
3. Nevada - solid, but took what 5 years?
I and I believe many other, believe Trent to be a decent coach, maybe even a pretty good one, but his methods at LSU aren't working. Maybe out west he has a chance.
For the record I've missed about 2 games max a year for the past 11 years. This year I've gone to two games, all by choice and we were beaten by 20. That should tell you the state of the program, when die hards stop caring.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 10:36 am to The Cable Guy
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That should tell you the state of the program, when die hards stop caring.
Agree 100%, I'm as big of a tiger fan as they come, but this year I couldn't even bring myself to watch/listen to the majority of the games in their entirety. The team was just downright pathetic to watch.
By the way would people have given Mainieri a break had his teams stunk it up 08 and 09 like Johnson is doing?
Posted on 3/13/11 at 11:10 am to fightingtiger2335
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if TJ leaves..with the connections he has made..it would set us back 3 years...people refuse to believe it takes 2 + years to make connections with high school players. the dumb fricks think it's like football/baseball that senior years are the important years. if you donmt connect with a HS player whens he is a sophmore you wont get him
I call B S on this. First of all if we do hire a new coach I would hope that this time Alleva hires one with a pulse which alone will help with recruiting. Secondly I would hope the new coach would bring in some guys with enthusiasm and charisma which would be the exact opposite of this milqtoast staff. Also hiring Randy Livingston as one of your guys would open about every door in Louisiana and alot of other places to. Another Trent fumble hiring Nance instead of Livingston!
Posted on 3/13/11 at 11:46 am to Rudy40
Brady tried to hire Randy, but he hasn't finished his degree. He's a D league head coach now.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 11:47 am to TJG210
Neither Miles nor Mainieri would have gotten breaks for 2 absolutely consecutive shitty seasons like TJ.
And it is harder to build and maintain programs in both football and baseball.
The team has no talent and is poorly coached. TJ is responsible on both counts - Period.
And it is harder to build and maintain programs in both football and baseball.
The team has no talent and is poorly coached. TJ is responsible on both counts - Period.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 11:49 am to dos crystal
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well, i think this pretty much sums up that trent is a pretty well thought of coach. i think he was as good of hire as lsu could have made at the time. this would certainly hurt if he left. obryant would be free to re-open his recruitment. any progress we have made toward the 12 class or talley would be gone.
i know there are some here who would love for this to happen. however, this is the worse thing that could happen.
Completely agree. There is not "quick fix" to our problem, no matter how many people come on this board and tell us about how basketball is different and you can become a good team with one class. LSU, first of all, is not in the class of programs that can venture 2,000 miles to land a kid that is highly recruited. We rely on local talent and surrounding states. Further, you still need to build relationships and basketball recruiting starts when these kids are infants. A new guy can't recreate that overnight.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 12:40 pm to TJG210
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Agree 100%, I'm as big of a tiger fan as they come, but this year I couldn't even bring myself to watch/listen to the majority of the games in their entirety. The team was just downright pathetic to watch.
Agreed.
This post was edited on 3/13/11 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 3/13/11 at 1:14 pm to The Cable Guy
He did not "inherit" an SEC Championship squad. They were 13-18 the year before he got here. LSU fired Brady because he lost with those same players and a 1st Round NBA draft pick. He inherited an older group that needed to be "coached" and made into an SEC Champ! Don't fool yourself!
You can minimize what he did at Stanford and Nevada all you want. Mike Montgomery is a great coach, Johnson was replacing a legend there and actually did a good job there. I bet Stanford wish they still had him based on what has happened to them since he left there. How many NCAAs have they been to?
What was Nevada like pre Johnson? Enlighten me please. He made a good program to the point where Fox was able to replace him there and get a nice gig at UGA.
I said earlier, one more year to get it turned around, if not, it is time to move on.
You can minimize what he did at Stanford and Nevada all you want. Mike Montgomery is a great coach, Johnson was replacing a legend there and actually did a good job there. I bet Stanford wish they still had him based on what has happened to them since he left there. How many NCAAs have they been to?
What was Nevada like pre Johnson? Enlighten me please. He made a good program to the point where Fox was able to replace him there and get a nice gig at UGA.
I said earlier, one more year to get it turned around, if not, it is time to move on.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 1:23 pm to Hardwood Tiger
Your opinion is yours and mine is mine. I will stick to mine. You obviously think Trent isn't the man for the job because you're only giving him one more year. The blind defenders of Trent are willing to give him as much time as he needs.
We will marginally be better next year at best. Marginally better will keep us at sub .500 in the SEC and hopefully low double digit total wins.
Time to bring in someone who can right the ship.
We will marginally be better next year at best. Marginally better will keep us at sub .500 in the SEC and hopefully low double digit total wins.
Time to bring in someone who can right the ship.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 1:34 pm to Hardwood Tiger
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What was Nevada like pre Johnson? Enlighten me please.
Like Southern Miss Football, pre Curley Hallman.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 1:36 pm to The Cable Guy
Actually, I want Trent to be successful here. For me to sign on past next year, that means a minimum of .500 in conference and a possible NIT bid. If he can't get that done, we need to move on. With the entire roster coming back with SEC experience, an off season of strength and conditioning, and more time bonding as a team, we should be significantly better than the team we put on the floor this year.
If he gets the JUCO PG with O'Bryant in the post, we will be a lot better.
If he gets the JUCO PG with O'Bryant in the post, we will be a lot better.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 1:37 pm to Hardwood Tiger
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I bet Stanford wish they still had him based on what has happened to them since he left there. How many NCAAs have they been to?
Trent knew when to jump ship at Stanford. The Lopez brothers where leaving and they were returning 4 players.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 1:38 pm to Hardwood Tiger
Some of you are deluding yourself into believing that this is a possibility.
NO WAY THIS HAPPENS
He's here for another year at minimum, and more than likely, he's here for another two years unless we follow up this season with another cellar type season.
NO WAY THIS HAPPENS
He's here for another year at minimum, and more than likely, he's here for another two years unless we follow up this season with another cellar type season.
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