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re: Unfortunate consequence of changing DC is having to learn a different scheme

Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:08 pm to
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:08 pm to
Thanks Mrs. House.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:16 pm to
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Hate to say but our main problem is that we are soft as hell We should at least play hard and we don’t even do that… there were multiple instances where we just held a guy up and waited on the whistle instead of trying to get him to the dang ground.


This is a byproduct of running a read and react scheme that isn’t fully understood or properly run by the players. One of the most difficult things with this style, especially with younger players, is maintaining physicality and aggressiveness. It is very easy for them to become passive just by the nature of the scheme.

Run perfectly, the defense reads the play in an instant and have the system down to the level that they immediately know exactly what to do and aggressively attack the offense. However, if the defense doesn’t have the scheme down to that degree, players are left hanging back, standing in place or hovering in their small zone “thinking” about what to do. That is the worst thing possible in modern football. Thinking about what to do rather than 100% KNOWING what to do will kill any defense. If you are one second late on a read, even if you make the right one, the play is already over and you got beat by the offense.

We all know this year’s defense has never had a good grasp on House’s scheme. You could see it on display last night against an inferior opponent. How many times did our CBs break late on a ball, even when playing well off the line? How often were the LBs and Safeties late to a gap? Now, the LBs are also bad about filling the wrong gaps, but when you get beat because you are slow to make the right read, it’s just as bad.

My point is this- if you don’t run a read and react defense the right way, it will make players who might be perfectly willing to hit hard and play aggressive in a more attacking scheme look slow and soft. I really hope whoever the next hire is, they bring an attacking mindset, no matter what base formation they prefer or whether they use more man or zone. A straightforward scheme with an attacking mindset will be easier for players to master and will encourage aggressive play, harder hitting, and hopefully better tackling will be a positive byproduct.
This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 7:19 pm
Posted by ellis197575
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2014
1284 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:18 pm to


They would be fine with a new DC. Watching them now, I don't think they're playing a "scheme" so there shouldn't be much to forget.

Posted by Lucado
Member since Nov 2023
2697 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:34 pm to
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This is a byproduct of running a read and react scheme that isn’t fully understood or properly run by the players. One of the most difficult things with this style, especially with younger players, is maintaining physicality and aggressiveness. It is very easy for them to become passive just by the nature of the scheme.

Run perfectly, the defense reads the play in an instant and have the system down to the level that they immediately know exactly what to do and aggressively attack the offense. However, if the defense doesn’t have the scheme down to that degree, players are left hanging back, standing in place or hovering in their small zone “thinking” about what to do. That is the worst thing possible in modern football. Thinking about what to do rather than 100% KNOWING what to do will kill any defense. If you are one second late on a read, even if you make the right one, the play is already over and you got beat by the offense.

We all know this year’s defense has never had a good grasp on House’s scheme. You could see it on display last night against an inferior opponent. How many times did our CBs break late on a ball, even when playing well off the line? How often were the LBs and Safeties late to a gap? Now, the LBs are also bad about filling the wrong gaps, but when you get beat because you are slow to make the right read, it’s just as bad.

My point is this- if you don’t run a read and react defense the right way, it will make players who might be perfectly willing to hit hard and play aggressive in a more attacking scheme look slow and soft. I really hope whoever the next hire is, they bring an attacking mindset, no matter what base formation they prefer or whether they use more man or zone. A straightforward scheme with an attacking mindset will be easier for players to master and will encourage aggressive play, harder hitting, and hopefully better tackling will be a positive byproduct.


Great post.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26695 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 8:37 pm to
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Difference in Bama going thru DCs is Saban is the stability on defensive side of ball, no matter who DC, he is the true DC
Don’t buy that at all. Look at the offense. It was supposed to go into the gutter this year, but somehow they have gotten better and better all season. Right now they are top 16 scoring and that's with a wasted stat padding game they could have had at South Florida when they didn't play Milroe. Milroe right now, in 10 games, has 2600 yards and 31 TDs.

So what you're saying is no matter who is the OC, he is the true OC? No, the thing is Bama has elite players, and have an elite structure and depth. The depth of talent at each position allows you to figure out the best situation. LSU relied on a bunch of transfers for two seasons. The first batch did phenomenal, the second batch stunk it up. In addition to that, not having an actual DL coached stunted what is a very talented DL.

I would love LSU to go after Bo Davis at Texas. He's a LSU alum, grad assistant at LSU and started his college coaching career as an assistant S&C coach at LSU. People can say, "Texas will outbid", No, you pay Davis a million, make him DL coach and run game coordinator, and use the LSU alum angle. Texas is 5th in the country in rush defense. There is only a 3 sack difference separating them from top 10 in sacks (they are 30th). They are top 25 in tackles for loss.

Go get Bo Davis as DL coach, go get Chevis Jackson as CB coach, and go get UCLA's DC D'Anton Lynn as DC. Lynn coached safeties with Ravens. If we can't get Lynn, bring back Blake Baker from Mizzu who is the DC and coaches LB and make Jackson the DB coach. Those are all LSU/Louisiana ties.
Posted by Fast Times @ LSU
Camas
Member since Jan 2005
1322 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 8:42 pm to
A DC who can effectively game plan & teach their technique & responsibilities to our players in a way that garners buy in & translates to on field play is an upgrade on what we currently have.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 8:53 pm to
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Go get Bo Davis as DL coach, go get Chevis Jackson as CB coach, and go get UCLA's DC D'Anton Lynn as DC. Lynn coached safeties with Ravens. If we can't get Lynn, bring back Blake Baker from Mizzu who is the DC and coaches LB and make Jackson the DB coach. Those are all LSU/Louisiana ties.


According to the pay sites, he was Kelly’s first call when Cain left and it didn’t happen. He isn’t leaving the gig he has just because he went here.

Unless Davis wants to be a DC and we offer him that, he evidently isn’t interested. And I’m not sure a first-time DC can be the hire in the shape we’re currently in.
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