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re: UGA complaints remind me of.....

Posted on 10/6/09 at 9:49 pm to
Posted by McChowder
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 9:49 pm to
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So why wasn't the fact that LSU didn't play very well the deciding factor?

Because Auburn couldnt move the ball on us either. The difference being........LSU's drives were stalled because of refs. Auburns drives were stalled because of LSU.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:01 pm to
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Because Auburn couldnt move the ball on us either. The difference being........LSU's drives were stalled because of refs. Auburns drives were stalled because of LSU.


4-13 on 3rd down.
Posted by McChowder
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:12 pm to
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4-13 on 3rd down.

You do realize that LSU had 3 drives stall in Auburn terratory because of bad calls right?

LSU drives....

1) Auburn 48
2) Auburn 32
3) Auburn 34
5) Auburn 25
6) Auburn 49
9) Auburn 32
10) Auburn 24

Yeah, those bad calls had no effect.
This post was edited on 10/6/09 at 10:17 pm
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:20 pm to
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2006 My A$$
The Early Doucet PI call was a no call because the ball was tipped. Are you guys seriously still whining about this after the ruling has been stated over and over 100 times?

You could make an argument on the Hester "fumble" and/or the PI on Davis? in the endzone, but the Doucet PI has been discussed ad nauseum and the league ruled on it. It was a NO CALL.
Posted by drexyl
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:24 pm to
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It was a THE CORRECT CALL. Until the piece of shite **** official picked up the flag. Worst case defensive holding but still fricking inexcusable to pick up the flag.


fixed/improved
Posted by McChowder
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:24 pm to
Let's see......

7 of 10 drives stalled in Auburn territory.

Of those drives, 4 of them stalled within the Auburn 34.

If you add the missed bad call conversions we would have been roughly 7-13 on 3rd down. Thats above %50.

Some of those bad calls prevented us from having a fresh set of downs deep in Auburn Territory.
Posted by McChowder
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:29 pm to
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The Early Doucet PI call was a no call because the ball was tipped. Are you guys seriously still whining about this after the ruling has been stated over and over 100 times?

Where in the rule book does it say you can tackle a reciever as long as the ball is tipped AFTER the tackle is made.............because a picture is worth a thousand words.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:38 pm to
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You may run 50-60 plays in a game but of those, there may only be 11 or so 3rd down attempts that are key to sustaining drives


right, I completely forgot you can only convert on 3rd downs and the plays run before the bad calls that did not get enough yds for a first are also the ref's fault.

There is one other important point I forgot too mention that more or less proves xiv's point. We don know what would have happened if they had made those calls the other way. As an LSU fan you are assuming LSU would have continued those drives and scored, but we don't know that. We do know that LSU only scored 3 points, so its kinda hard to say we would have scored on any drive that ended after a non call. Based on the rest of the game its more reasonable to assume after getting a first down LSU would not have converted. In any event there were numerous other chances for LSU to scored just 1 TD. To blame the ref's just making excuses and not taking responsibility for our own ineptitude.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:40 pm to
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LSU fans whine, bitch, and complain just like any fanbase in the history of sports
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:45 pm to
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.how many calls do you think this guy had to alter to change the game?


was he changing the outcome of the game or the outcome of the point spread?
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And if it was no big deal and just something a team should overcome then why involve the FBI?


The guy you pictured was accused of fixing games for gambling purposes (which may or may not alter the outcome of the actual game) that is a violation of federal law, hence the interest by the FBI. If you have evidence that the officials in the 2006 LSU Auburn game were making bad calls in oder to fix the games, please link it or turn it over to the FBI.


Posted by McChowder
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:49 pm to
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would not need to be reviewed if Hester does not drop the ball.

FWIW, he didnt drop it. It was stripped after the reception. He caught the ball and made two steps while turning up field. The controversy was that they overturned the call on the field (as a fumble out of bounds) after the review and ruled it an incomplete pass........it prevented the Tigers from having a first down and stalled the drive. Even the commentators were scratching thier heads.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:51 pm to
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Some of those bad calls prevented us from having a fresh set of downs deep in Auburn Territory.


But yet some how bad play calls and or poor execution by LSU did not.

Even if we did get a fresh set of downs, what makes you think we would have scored? Even you admit that not every one of those drives ended on a questionable call. If we could not score on any of those drives, shy would we have scored on the ones with the calls? Why do you ignore the fact that had we simply executed on other plays the calls would not have mattered. Like I said on the Hester play, if he holds on to the damn ball there is no need for the ref to decide fumble or incomplete pass.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:52 pm to
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FWIW, he didnt drop it. It was stripped after the reception.




what ev, he did not hang on to the ball that's on Hester, not the ref.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:53 pm to
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The Early Doucet PI call was a no call because the ball was tipped. Are you guys seriously still whining about this after the ruling has been stated over and over 100 times?


dude, the rule says the ball has to be tipped in the neutral zone or before contact is made with the receiver. No way you can think that call was correct

LSU had an INT called back correctly earlier in the game because the receiver was tackled while Jessie Daniels intercepted the ball
This post was edited on 10/6/09 at 10:54 pm
Posted by Tigershatebama
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:54 pm to
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The Early Doucet PI call was a no call because the ball was tipped.


You do realize that earlier in the game there was a PI play exactly like the one at the end? Except earlier in the game it was LSU with an INT being penalized into an Auburn 1st down. Auburn receiver was hit from behind while the ball was in the air, then another LSU defender INTs right in front of the receiver. If he were to have tipped it instead of catching it, would the flag have been picked up?

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and the league ruled on it. It was a NO CALL.


I think this is what has some LSU fans most pissed right now. The SEC for years has sided with ref's inconsistent and unequal enforcement of game rules, AND NOW, the SEC sides against the refs only part of the way, on something that has even more vagueness in its discription.
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:55 pm to
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what ev, he did not hang on to the ball that's on Hester, not the ref.


the ref called that one correctly, there is NO WAY the play should have been overturned. If you remember, that was before the SEC supplied the replay official. Back then, the home team did (the replay official had a daughter at auburn)

On Auburn's ONLY scoring drive, Laron Landry forced a fumble that wasn't called. I would say that had a pretty big impact on the game along with the bullshite holding, the non-PI in the endzone, the Hester "incomplete" pass, etc. etc.
This post was edited on 10/6/09 at 11:00 pm
Posted by McChowder
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:57 pm to
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right, I completely forgot you can only convert on 3rd downs and the plays run before the bad calls that did not get enough yds for a first are also the ref's fault.

What an assclown . Playcalling revolves around (to a great degree) on having 3 downs to move the ball for a first.........not just 1, not just 2.

3rd down convertion statistics are some of the most important in the game and you dismiss them by making a dumbass comment about the prficiency of getting the 1st in two downs? Wow......just.......wow.
Posted by McChowder
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 11:02 pm to
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Even if we did get a fresh set of downs, what makes you think we would have scored?

because 4 of the 7 LSU drives would have been within the Auburn 34 with a fresh set of downs. I dont know about you, but a chance is still better than no chance. I guess you are going to argue that in everyone of those circumstances LSU "might" have gained zero yards or missed every field goal. I guess anything is possible.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 11:07 pm to
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3rd down convertion statistics are some of the most important in the game and you dismiss them by making a dumbass comment about the prficiency of getting the 1st in two downs? Wow......just.......wow.


wow just wow indeed that you are not only a losers that blames the ref's but can't understand context either. I agree 3rd down conversion is important and I did not dismiss it. WE ran (i'm guessing) 50-60 plays give or take and you are blaming the outcome on 3 or 4. We had plenty of other chances. No need to put it all on the refs.

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Playcalling revolves around (to a great degree) on having 3 downs to move the ball for a first.........not just 1, not just 2


actually you have 4 downs to get 10 yds and a new set of downs.
Your chances of converting 3rd downs to first downs is much better when you have 3 yds or less to get first. When you continually runs plays on first and second down that get fewer than 5 yds, your chances of getting a first is greatly diminished. If LSU had executed better on 1st and 2nd downs, our chances of converting those key 3rd downs would have been much better

The point you fail to grasp is the ENTIRE game plan and execution or lack there of is what cost LSU, not just 2 or 3 "bad calls".


Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 10/6/09 at 11:07 pm to
i doubt LSU getting the ball on the 2 yard line with 45 seconds left in the 1st half would have amounted to anything . That was by far the worst call of the game. Right in front of the ref.

LINK

2:05

the 30 yard pass that put us inside AU's 40 probably wouldn't have done anything either.
This post was edited on 10/6/09 at 11:09 pm
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