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re: Top 5 programs next 3 years
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:40 pm to dome53
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:40 pm to dome53
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And Any teams 3rd string QB has nothing to do with the success of their program.
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You only need 2 solid ones to be successful in one year, while the other ones develop.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:40 pm to chilge1
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My only question is it usually takes Saban 2 years to build up that talent. He has a good season, then great, and once key players they drop back to medicore. Of course this has been when he bailed so no one can say he can or can't sustain. He has never really had a chance as he doesn't stick with a program for more than 5 years.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:40 pm to seinfeldtiger
What would you descibe as Texas A&M being up?
The Aggies haven't finished in the top 5 since 1956.
It's pretty amazing that they are considered a "football school."
The Aggies haven't finished in the top 5 since 1956.
It's pretty amazing that they are considered a "football school."
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:41 pm to Tomm
You can't just ignore recruiting when rating college coaches, and when it comes to recruiting Petey, Saban, CUM and Miles lead the pack.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:42 pm to chilge1
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And Any teams 3rd string QB has nothing to do with the success of their program.
In regards to playing time, for that year.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:46 pm to seinfeldtiger
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As long as Texas A&m stays down..LSU will continue to be top 5..
What is your reason for this statement?
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:46 pm to Dignan
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What would you descibe as Texas A&M being up?
Geez, Texas a&m used to be the second best football program in texas..You know one of the top 3 talent states in the country!. If you truly believe, we would be cleaning up with guys like Lafell, shepard, toliver, r.j. jackson..addai all these guys from greater houston area if a&m was up to par then idk what to tell you...Kids from TX for the most part...are TX, OK, and LSU..
If you cant tell that A&M and Colorado programs havnt been the same since Saban went to LSU and changed the culture i dont know what to tell u bro...Also, in my original post it worries me that Miami will start picking kids from new orleans and river parishes again..
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:48 pm to seinfeldtiger
Miami's recruiting has been pretty good all the way through. Their problems were not recruiting...
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:49 pm to Sammich
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Chris Leak the 5 Star #2 ranked Pro-style QB in the Nation in 2003?
What the frick does that have to do with anything I said? The OP thinks that UF will slip because Tebow is gone. They won a national title with Leak, who is not Tebow, and can win a national title with Brantley, who is also not Tebow. What the frick does star rankings have to do with anything we are talking about?
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:50 pm to Gummy Bears
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My only question is it usually takes Saban 2 years to build up that talent. He has a good season, then great, and once key players they drop back to medicore
I'm not sure what the question was in there... but...
All I'm saying is that in my view, sustaining is having consistent good years and an occasional great year with the possible aberration mixed in. The fallout that comes at the end of Saban's tenures that you describe as "back to mediocre" is not sustaining the program.
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He has never really had a chance as he doesn't stick with a program for more than 5 years.
And this is all I was saying. It is in the nature of Saban to restore a program and then abandon it. He doesn't take currently great programs and keep them great.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:53 pm to seinfeldtiger
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If you cant tell that A&M and Colorado programs havnt been the same since Saban went to LSU and changed the culture i dont know what to tell u bro...
So Saban is the reason that A&M has finished in the top 5 once (1956) since 1939?
I guess my issue with your logic is that you assume that A&M is "down" when the reality is they are who they are. A mediocre at best team in a state littered with talent.
But you can't say A&M is down. They've never really been up.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:54 pm to seinfeldtiger
LSU
Bama
Florida
USC
OSU
No particular order...I had to put my two cents in on this.
Bama
Florida
USC
OSU
No particular order...I had to put my two cents in on this.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:54 pm to chilge1
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Two flaws in your logic. That team LOST to Auburn and LOST to Iowa. No matter how close those losses were, they exist.
More like a flaw in your ability to read a fricking post. When did I say they were 11-1? I said they were 9-3 with two close losses. After Saban wins a national title, his next team that loses the majority of its stars goes 9-3 and is 11-1 had those same stars been back another year. He maintained the program, but he lost his experienced stars.
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I'm really tiring of hearing this. I give Saban all the credit in the world for providing the tools for success, but it takes a good coach to utilize that talent. Miles won with those players in 2005, 2006, and 2007. Saban was in Miami. He didn't sustain crap.
But Miles isn't a good coach. You are seeing now and will continue to see that he isn't a good coach. Saban stacked the program with guys who were ridiculously talented and didn't overly frick up team chemistry. Without Saban, a lot of those guys aren't at LSU, so whether you want to call it sustaining or not, you have to give partial credit to him for that success because those guys were wearing an LSU uniform because of Saban.
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Note that I'm not arguing that he CAN'T maintain programs after building them, just that he leaves before faced with that challenge.
He left LSU for what he thought was his dream job. He sucked at that, so he came back to the closest thing to LSU available. He isn't leaving Bama anytime soon unless it's for retirement.
Posted on 10/15/09 at 11:59 pm to DocBugbear
Lately, Miami's loss of verbals has been pretty legendary. You might know one by the name of Patrick Peterson...was Patrick Johnson at that time. He was a Miami commit for months before defecting to LSU. He wasn't the only one that year. Miami has had more verbal renegs the last few years than anyone I can think of. We will see if it happens again but I think it will. Players seem to commit to them and then find something better.
Posted on 10/16/09 at 12:02 am to Dignan
[quote]But you can't say A&M is down. They've never really been up.[/quote
I didnt know i was making a point with them being a top 5 program that suddenly fell off because of LSU.. With that said, if you really going to tell me that A&M wasnt a good football program and with the right person in there a top 25 program then idk what to tell you
I didnt know i was making a point with them being a top 5 program that suddenly fell off because of LSU.. With that said, if you really going to tell me that A&M wasnt a good football program and with the right person in there a top 25 program then idk what to tell you
Posted on 10/16/09 at 12:03 am to Tomm
Happens everywhere. Vontaze Burfict and Randall Carroll were both 5* type players who bolted USC for other places. Janzen was a 5* who left LSU. Happens all the time. A lot of these guys leaving Miami were leaving because the team sucked. If they go 11-1 this year, those boys will stay home.
Posted on 10/16/09 at 12:03 am to AlexLSU
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More like a flaw in your ability to read a fricking post. When did I say they were 11-1? I said they were 9-3 with two close losses. After Saban wins a national title, his next team that loses the majority of its stars goes 9-3 and is 11-1 had those same stars been back another year. He maintained the program, but he lost his experienced stars.
Why even mention the losses to Iowa and Auburn if you're not trying to give some merit to the season? I'm fully aware of what you said. I countered by saying that no matter how close the losses were, they were losses. Would they have been had those star players returned? Most certainly not. But it's the job of the coach to cope with such losses and he failed at doing so, to a degree.
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But Miles isn't a good coach. You are seeing now and will continue to see that he isn't a good coach. Saban stacked the program with guys who were ridiculously talented and didn't overly frick up team chemistry. Without Saban, a lot of those guys aren't at LSU, so whether you want to call it sustaining or not, you have to give partial credit to him for that success because those guys were wearing an LSU uniform because of Saban.
You're right. Charles Alexander and Harry Coleman are wearing LSU uniforms because of Nick Saban. I give him all the credit for bringing us a national championship and the recipe for success in years to come. But you can't give him Miles' wins because he provided the raw talent.
FWIW, I can't say at this point that Miles is not a good coach. The man has a winning percentage over .800. And don't bring the Larry Coker argument in here because I can name far more examples of coaches who inherited a talented team and did amazing things with it.
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He left LSU for what he thought was his dream job. He sucked at that, so he came back to the closest thing to LSU available. He isn't leaving Bama anytime soon unless it's for retirement.
A bold statement, but nothing more than an opinion. His track record shows his tendencies, and although he might very well stay at Alabama, his past indicates that he's more likely to flee should an opportunity present itself.
Posted on 10/16/09 at 12:11 am to dome53
We have been pretty good at getting players to come to LSU , but we seem to be falling to get them to rise up and be better than they were in HS.
That's just plain and simple COACHING !!
So to answer your Question, Will LSU be Top 5 programs next 3 years ?
LSU can get Top 5 Talent Every year. But LSU doesnt have a Top 5 Coach to Coach the Talent
That's just plain and simple COACHING !!
So to answer your Question, Will LSU be Top 5 programs next 3 years ?
LSU can get Top 5 Talent Every year. But LSU doesnt have a Top 5 Coach to Coach the Talent
Posted on 10/16/09 at 12:13 am to chilge1
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Why even mention the losses to Iowa and Auburn if you're not trying to give some merit to the season? I'm fully aware of what you said. I countered by saying that no matter how close the losses were, they were losses. Would they have been had those star players returned? Most certainly not. But it's the job of the coach to cope with such losses and he failed at doing so, to a degree.
Let's put it this way, which situation would you more likely consider a "sliding" program.
A. 9-3, loses all three games by 1 point each to a BCS bowl team.
B. 9-3, loses all three games by 50 points each to a BCS bowl team.
That's the point I'm making. He sustained the program, but if LSU got raped three times, you could argue that the program was going down a bit.
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You're right. Charles Alexander and Harry Coleman are wearing LSU uniforms because of Nick Saban. I give him all the credit for bringing us a national championship and the recipe for success in years to come. But you can't give him Miles' wins because he provided the raw talent.
Sure I can!
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A bold statement, but nothing more than an opinion. His track record shows his tendencies, and although he might very well stay at Alabama, his past indicates that he's more likely to flee should an opportunity present itself.
He upgraded every time though. Not too many upgrades from Bama unless LSU opens up.
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