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re: Top 200 Players (CFN) - Lafell ranked 110...Geez
Posted on 8/10/09 at 10:46 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 8/10/09 at 10:46 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
I'm still waiting for someone to show me one reason to rank Jones over Lafell other than "he's a phenom."
Here:
Julio Jones, True Freshman year stats:
58 rec. 924 yards 4 TD
Brandon Lafell, Redshirt Freshman stats:
5 rec. 140 yards 2 TD
Brandon Lafell, Sophomore stats:
50 rec. 656 4 TD
Conclusion:
It took Brandon 3 years of college to basically equal what Julio has done in one year.
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Posted on 8/10/09 at 10:47 pm to RedElephants
quote:
I guess Naaman Roosevelt and Austin Collie are better than AJ, Julio, and LaFell.
Of course not. Lafell, Green, and Jones played almost identical schedules with the same slate of opponents in the same type of conditions. Comparing the three are about as close to an objective analysis as you can get.
Of course, you'd have to weigh the fact that a Big 12 or a Pac 12 receiver is playing against simple defenses and, thus, his stats are going to benefit.
Posted on 8/10/09 at 10:49 pm to Antonio Moss
I don't understand the list. Some players appear to be ranked because of their NFL potential while others are ranked because they're good college players.
Posted on 8/10/09 at 10:49 pm to southdeep
Which would be a great point if the list was broken down by year classification.
Posted on 8/10/09 at 10:51 pm to Antonio Moss
Brandon Lafell #110....lawlz
Posted on 8/10/09 at 10:54 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
I guess you were never taught the definition of "objectively."
Lafell had:
More catches
More yards
More touchdowns
Colt Brennan agrees with this.
Posted on 8/10/09 at 10:54 pm to southdeep
you can't go wrong with lafell or jones, both will be first rounders. jones was physically ready to contribute right away while lafell wasn't, but lafell has improved more in college than jones will because he had more room for it. both are great though.
This post was edited on 8/10/09 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 8/10/09 at 10:54 pm to Antonio Moss
Great point! It isn't broken down by year classification. This means they only have one year of Jones to base their analysis, and 3 seasons for LaFell.
Objectively, LaFell took 4 years in the program to produce at the level Jones did in just his first year.
So how can you put the two side by side and say LaFell is better?
Objectively, LaFell took 4 years in the program to produce at the level Jones did in just his first year.
So how can you put the two side by side and say LaFell is better?
Posted on 8/10/09 at 10:56 pm to UnluckyTiger
quote:
Colt Brennan agrees with this.
If Colt Brennan was being compared to another QB in the WAC in 2007 with six identical opponents, he'd be right to agree
Posted on 8/10/09 at 10:58 pm to southdeep
More proof
Look at the play that begins at 3:03...
BTW, I hate Alabama and I am a huge LaFell fan.
Look at the play that begins at 3:03...
BTW, I hate Alabama and I am a huge LaFell fan.
This post was edited on 8/10/09 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 8/10/09 at 10:58 pm to southdeep
quote:
So how can you put the two side by side and say LaFell is better?
College players don't improve at an exponential rate (See Justin Vincent).
Posted on 8/10/09 at 11:00 pm to Antonio Moss
antonio moss...why the frick are you arguing about lafell over jones...seriously, jones is better but that doesn't matter because any team in the country would want a 1st round draft pick on their team
also, the point of this thread is to argue lafell deserves to be much better than #110...which is very true
also, the point of this thread is to argue lafell deserves to be much better than #110...which is very true
Posted on 8/10/09 at 11:00 pm to Antonio Moss
He doesn't have to. He can continue to contribute at exactly the same rate, and still surpass LaFell by the end of his Sophomore year.
Posted on 8/10/09 at 11:00 pm to southdeep
quote:Good point. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that Lafell had 2 NFL first round draft picks on the team when he was a Freshmen and Alabama didn't really have any good receivers last year.
Conclusion:
It took Brandon 3 years of college to basically equal what Julio has done in one year.
Posted on 8/10/09 at 11:05 pm to TigerRanter
quote:
Good point. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that Lafell had 2 NFL first round draft picks on the team when he was a Freshmen and Alabama didn't really have any good receivers last year.
So you're saying Julio was the main target, since all the other receivers sucked, yet he still managed to produce at such an impressive rate? Good point.
Look, I am not denying LaFell's ability. I love the guy. He is one of the best receivers in the nation.
He's just not as good as Julio. Get over it.
Posted on 8/10/09 at 11:06 pm to LSUzealot
quote:
antonio moss...why the frick are you arguing about lafell over jones...seriously, jones is better but that doesn't matter because any team in the country would want a 1st round draft pick on their team
I really didn't mean for this to turn into a huge deal. I just feel that Lafell gets shat on a lot undeservingly. The guy is first team all SEC at the end of the year last year and without another down being played, gets demoted to preseason second team.
I understand the hype about Jones - the guy is a freak. But Lafell's numbers last season were nothing short of remarkable given our QB situation and the lack of production from our #2 receiver.
I also get tired of the college football hype machine over certain players. Granted, at least Jones is the real deal. I read an article yesterday talking about this being Clausen's breakout year at Notre Dame - I mean seriously, the guy has done nothing in 2 years except be hyped up by the media.
Posted on 8/10/09 at 11:07 pm to southdeep
quote:No, my point was that comparing their Freshmen seasons are not apples to apples.
So you're saying Julio was the main target, since all the other receivers sucked, yet he still managed to produce at such an impressive rate? Good point.
Look, I am not denying LaFell's ability. I love the guy. He is one of the best receivers in the nation.
He's just not as good as Julio. Get over it.
ETA: And I never said he was better than Julio, although I would take a senior Lafell this season over a sophomore Jones.
This post was edited on 8/10/09 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 8/10/09 at 11:07 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
But Lafell's numbers last season were nothing short of remarkable given our QB situation and the lack of production from our #2 receiver.
A valid point I was hoping you'd raise. Props.
Posted on 8/10/09 at 11:08 pm to jmitc22
quote:
that list is based purely on media hype
exactly...LSU had a forgettable year last year, so these guys fell in the list...
Posted on 8/10/09 at 11:09 pm to TigerRanter
quote:
No, my point was that comparing their Freshmen seasons is not apples to apples.
Look again at what I compared. I compared Jones' first year in his program to LaFell's first 3 years at LSU. Also no apples to apples. More like grapes to pineapples. But not what you suggested either.
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