re: Toliver to Miles: Thanks, bud...or not?

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You guys are insulting the intelligence of every scout andcoach in the NFL. They can see who is throwing the ball to TT. They review film for a good living. You do not. TT just wasn't what they're looking for. That's not Les Miles' fault.

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See the post before about LSU receivers not being very good since 2005. ALL including DBOWE - I live in KC - Have had issues with dropping the ball.
They drafted Buster, Doucet and Bowe early in the draft. Show me where they are true #1s. most people up here still want to string Bowe up.
Scouts are WRONG sometimes. SO they LEARN about this and avoid those situations. That makes them not as dumb as they seem.
I believe TT has the skill set to be a very good receiver. However, B Lafell was not better than him as suggested by some on here. He was HORRIBLE at drops for 3 of his 4 years at LSU. TT had a very productive 3rd year in the system and when LSU lost options at the 3rd and 4th receiver spot, his production went down. Coincidently we fired our OC.

your post is almost typical in today's world. it seems that failure is always someone else's fault. miles teams have had a lot of WR's drafted. sure, we had qb problems, but TT's failure is 100% his fault. TT will land on his feet if, and only if, he man's up and admits to his weaknesses and work's to strengthen them. raw talent is not enough once a certain level is reached. true in all occupations, not just sports. i'm sure professional scouts are good enough to recognize talent. maybe a poor qb will cost a guy a round or two, but to go undrafted pretty much speaks for itself. i hope TT has the talent and the fortitude to make it as a free agent. if not, i hope he gets his degree and finds his niche' in the real world.

TT is getting way too much on here by people who are supposed to support him during what's likely a difficult time in his life. However, he can't hold Lafell's jock. If you aren't smart enough to see this, I really feel sorry for you

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lol at all the yards who think NFL teams only look at production and are completely oblivious to LSU's quarterback situation

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never said this. just was pointing out his production dropped off as qb play dropped off for all LSU receivers.
TT has issues. He is a poor route runner and gives up on plays soemtimes. he is also a good blocker and has athletic ability.
What killed me about a can't mniss 5* is why wasn't this worked on by our coaches and why was he our #1 if our coaches were so damn smart about all of this?
It is about building up young men and making them better people, students and players in that order. I believe he did the first and maybe a little of the second at LSU, but not the last.
Coaching has something to do with it. See GC getting fired. BTW - TT was better this year? Why? did we get a enw receivers coach?

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your post is almost typical in today's world. it seems that failure is always someone else's fault

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so you beleive coaching had NOTHING to do with a receiver improving from freshmen year to senior? When CLM recruits I hope he doesn't go into the living room and tell these kids that "you won't get any better while at LSU as a player, but if you stay I will play you your senior year because I play upper classmen". No he says, "I will improve you as a human, student and a player and will help you represent LSU in whatever you do in life inside or outside of football".

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Frankly I hate this whole "blame game" that goes on every year. The situation is what it is, no point in trying to find "blame" in either the player, his team or the staff.

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I hate this also. However, saying 10% is the players fault is simply NOT true in this instance.
CLM had a shitty OC, he FIRED HIM! That is what people on here forget. I can't help but wondering how other coaches would have used him and RS for example. maybe we will get to see it this season. It doesn't help TT FWIW.

his numbers (or lack thereof) is as big a reason as any you just mentioned.

When you spend 2-3 yrs playing along side the worst qb in the SEC its foolish to not assume it didn't carry weight.

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you described Brandon Lafell except TT had height on him and was a better blocker.

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You're out of your mind.

Lafell was a great route runner. In fact, it was his highlighted attribute coming into the draft. He blocked downfield well and used his hands/body to create passing windows.

He wasn't a burner, but burners are becoming less and less important in the NFL.

You think Toliver was a better blocker than Lafell?

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you sir are an idiot.

Brandon Lafell -
Career Catches: 175
Career Yards: 2517
Career Avg: 14.38
Career TD: 25

Terrance Tolliver -
Career Catches: 126
Career Yards: 1820
Career Avg: 14.44
Career TD: 12

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if the both of you think that the nfl scouts give a frick about stats, then you both are wrong.