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re: This is why we play Bama twice.

Posted on 10/23/11 at 1:08 pm to
Posted by 1ranter1
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
10681 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 1:08 pm to
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LSU wins 24-21 and then assuming both teams win out and LSU handles business in Atlanta I could see Alabama finishing number 2


If LSU beats Bama @ Bama, Bama has no business getting a rematch.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4098 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 1:10 pm to
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If LSU and Bama are the two best teams after the season/championship games then they should play again.

The operative word here is "if." No one knows this with certainty. We know with certainty that one of the 2 will lose, but we do not know that they are the best, so if there is a viable alternative, they should be chosen first, just like in 2006 when a OSU/Mich rematch was advocated.
Posted by Paulu
Mandeville
Member since Dec 2006
4440 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 1:15 pm to
A 1 loss AL or LSU team would have to be ranked ahead of Boise State

Put the final battle on the neutral field in the Superdome ..........
Posted by bayouawhiskey
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2005
377 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 1:23 pm to
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if you dont win your conference then you have no business in the title game


bullshite. Because there is no playoff, this concept is bullshite. Happens in basketball and baseball all the damn time. Football needs a playoff so the best teams can compete for a national championship despite their conference alignments.

So, absolutely now way undefeated Boise State undefeated deserves to play in the BCSNCG over a 1 loss LSU or Bama that had to play each other during the regular season.

Even if LSU beats Bama, I still hold this opinion and would vote for Bama to play LSU again for the NC.

It's not a perfect system, so most basic rules do not apply.


Posted by Bayou Paddler
Member since May 2007
84 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 1:25 pm to
First. For all you conference champion people, Will you feel the same way if Bama beats LSU?

Second: Having to win your conference is total BS. One example: Suppose LSU loses to Bama, Oregon wins their conference with only one loss and every other major conference champion has two losses. Should an Oregon team that LSU beat the crap out of play for the championship? Please!!!

Second example: What if every major conference champion has two losses, shoud they play over the LSU/Bama loser, just because they won their conference? There have been many conference champions with 2, 3 and 4 loses. Just because you win your conference, it doesn't necessarily make you better than a loss team from another conference.

With that being said, If LSU beats Bama, not sure I would want to face them again.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4098 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 1:42 pm to
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First. For all you conference champion people, Will you feel the same way if Bama beats LSU?

First, I don't have a problem with a non-conf champion being in the game as long as it's conf champion is in the game, but with only a two team playoff the non conf winner needs to clearly be the best choice. This means the other major conf champions should have more losses, including Oregon. So I am okay if LSU loses and does not make it.

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Suppose LSU loses to Bama, Oregon wins their conference with only one loss and every other major conference champion has two losses. Should an Oregon team that LSU beat the crap out of play for the championship?

Yes, Oregon should go. That was the first game of the season. Oregon would also have a CG win that LSU wouldn't.

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What if every major conference champion has two losses, shoud they play over the LSU/Bama loser, just because they won their conference? There have been many conference champions with 2, 3 and 4 loses. Just because you win your conference, it doesn't necessarily make you better than a loss team from another conference.

I agree with this, but an undefeated Boise would probably get the nod over LSU. A one loss SEC champion would get the nod over an undefeated Boise, but with an undefeated SEC champ already in the game, Boise would probably be ranked 2nd in the human polls, with a 3rd at best computer ranking. This would put them in.
Posted by LSU91MBA
Houston
Member since Aug 2008
1588 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 1:43 pm to
Nice theory.... however, If LSU wins out and is in the BCS championship... I'd prefer that they play someone else.... not that I'm afraid of Bama... but if we went into their house and won.

What more is to prove by playing them again in NOLA?

Now --- If LSU loses in TTown... I'd be all for a BCSCG re-match.... LOL
Posted by Utah Tiger
Palm Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2005
1146 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 1:44 pm to
I think LSU beats the dogcrap out of Boise State if they meet up. Speed and size will dominate!
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10414 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 1:47 pm to
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the human polls won't let this happen


Normally, I agree. There is a situation where there is no acceptable alternative. Personally, I think that means all other conference champs have 2 losses - OR the only one loss conference champion is Oregon and LSU is the one loss team in the above scenario.
Posted by LSU91MBA
Houston
Member since Aug 2008
1588 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 1:51 pm to
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I think LSU beats the dogcrap out of Boise State if they meet up. Speed and size will dominate!


They beat UGA in the first game... as of now UGA appears to have the best road to Atlanta from the SEC East....

However, I'd say UGA is #4 overall in the SEC... LSU, Bama, and Ark are all better (and ranked higher).

I think any of those 3 beast Boise head to head... either LSU or Bama with 1 loss (to the other) is more deserving.

I cannot see Boise surviving a 12 game schedule with 8 SEC teams on it... just wouldn't happen in my opinion.
Posted by pitbull20
Somewhere close... real close
Member since Oct 2003
7765 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 1:52 pm to
if we have any questionable calls or ending to the game it could add to the rematch scenario. Otherwise I can't see it happening.

If the winner of the 11-5 game did it with no help from the ref's then it isn't fair to give the other team another shot
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10414 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 1:56 pm to
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What happened to the bcs rule where 2 teams from same conference cannot meet for BCSCG?


Never existed
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10414 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 1:58 pm to
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signed nebraska 01 and oklahoma 03


USC '03 forced the formula change that put a lot of power with the human polls.
Posted by TriumphTiger
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2007
10414 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 2:00 pm to
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Put the final battle on the neutral field in the Superdome ..........


Neutral New Orleans!
Posted by DA
Member since Sep 2007
16251 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 2:00 pm to
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if you dont win your conference then you have no business in the title game


Even if they are the two best teams? Isn't that the goal?

It's in the conversation. And if both win out, the cry will get louder. Still, it's not probable unless we're left with a bunch of 1 loss team.

I'm sorry, but Boise's schedule is a joke compared to a SEC schedule and should be factored in the equation.

This post was edited on 10/23/11 at 2:04 pm
Posted by attheua
Tuscaloosa
Member since Apr 2008
5442 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 2:07 pm to
It would be unfair to the winner, and the rest of CFB, to give the loser a 2nd chance. I would say the same even if it was Bama needing a 2nd chance.
Posted by lsusa
Doing Missionary work for LSU
Member since Oct 2005
6179 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 2:08 pm to
College football has a playoff. It is just a two-team, one game "playoff" for the title.

If it went to a four-team playoff, the same selection criteria would be used. At 8, they'd probably add some automatic qualifying criteria which, based on conferences now, would add an element of "unfairness" to the system.


These IDIOTS who just spew that "a team that doesn't win its conference shouldn't play for the title" are just thoughtless drones who regurgitate what they hear on the radio or television.

It wasn't written on the two tablets that Moses dropped, its got nothing to do with "fairness" or giving anyone a chance or two chances or anything else. The idea is that the "system" is supposed to pick the TWO BEST TEAMS to play for the title. There are a few inheriant flaws in the criteria of course, but more teams doesn't mean its less-flawed, nor does a larger "tournament" make the result any more valid.

Posted by Bayou Paddler
Member since May 2007
84 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 2:12 pm to
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Yes, Oregon should go. That was the first game of the season. Oregon would also have a CG win that LSU wouldn't


Sorry, disagree as does most college fans who do not want to see Oregon lose to another superior SEC team.

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I agree with this, but an undefeated Boise would probably get the nod over LSU. A one loss SEC champion would get the nod over an undefeated Boise, but with an undefeated SEC champ already in the game, Boise would probably be ranked 2nd in the human polls, with a 3rd at best computer ranking. This would put them in.


I agree, but that was not the point. All I was saying is there are several scenerios of how a team does not necessary have to win a conference to be able to play for the NC.

Another example: Suppose LSU lost to Oregon and WV and went undefeated in the SEC. Alabama's only lost was to LSU. LSU then loses to a 3 lost Georgia team in the SECCG. Should Alabama not be able to play for the NC because they didn't win their conference? This, and the other examples is why the "not winning your conference argument" is wrong.
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5369 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 2:17 pm to
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if you dont win your conference then you have no business in the title game



Let's say Bama beats LSU and they both win out.

And the other scenarios happen. That would probably leave Oregon or LSU as the top 2 one-loss teams. I think LSU gets the nod since they beat Oregon. Just saying...
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4098 posts
Posted on 10/23/11 at 2:23 pm to
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Should Alabama not be able to play for the NC because they didn't win their conference? This, and the other examples is why the "not winning your conference argument" is wrong.

I don't believe Bama should get a shot in this scenario. If you had a 4 team playoff and #1 lost to #4, should #1 get a do over because #4 had 2 losses?

In the BCS world, I see the regular season and the championship game as one integrated playoff. The first round is win your conference, unless your conference champion is in. It's been mentioned how non champions get into playoffs in other sports. This is true, but their conference champion is never excluded no matter how bad a regular season they had because they won a conf tournament.
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