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re: this board is turning toxic
Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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As more come available, changes can still be made under the current structure. Hiring Fedora or Gundy wouldn't have given that kind of flexibility
this along with the "well if he fails at least we'll have talent" stuff just seems like even the fans who aren't hating on this are already setting up our gameplan when O fails.
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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the field of available candidates doesn't appear to be great.
This is utterly retarded. The field of young coaches is as deep as it has ever been. You could go around and find good coaches who are doing good things and not even mention Fedora or Gundy. We gave up before we even began to try. Isn't that problematic to you?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:58 pm to dukke v
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ZERO clue how good O will do....
I completely agree with this. No one knows, neither his detractors nor his supporters.
I hope Coach O is ridiculously successful at LSU
I know this tho... I have zero confidence in our AD and there is a track record to support my pessimism.
Regardless how I feel about the AD or Coach O... I am an LSU fan.... Geaux Tigahs!!
Posted on 11/27/16 at 4:59 pm to LSU GrandDad
This board has been sludge for a while now. It's sad that it's allowed to be this negative.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:00 pm to crazy4lsu
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This is utterly retarded. The field of young coaches is as deep as it has ever been.
Name some who you would consider elte.
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You could go around and find good coaches who are doing good things
Curly Hallman did good things at USM
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and not even mention Fedora or Gundy. We gave up before we even began to try. Isn't that problematic to you?
How do you know how deep the search went? Are you admitting you believe the stupid rumors (or some, since there were dozens) being tossed around?
Herman or Jimbo were never coming. Not for a lack of trying.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:00 pm to lurkr
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It's sad that it's allowed to be this negative.
You are right. Only positive thoughts should be allowed. Positivity by itself can will our team to victory!
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:01 pm to Mo Jeaux
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ZERO clue how good O will do....
I really hate this line of thinking. It is retarded. Of course we don't. No one does. The problem is that because of the uncertainties, institutions must take calculated risks when hiring a chief executive
He's made several great moves while so far. He fired Cam and BDP and let players know they aren't too good to be sat during game time. He stepped aside and let his coordinators do their things which led to several team and individual records being set this year. He and his interim staff put together a game plan with an average QB that played Bama closer than anyone else so far this season. I'd say he's off to a pretty good start.
Eta: he made LSU football fun to watch again
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Name some who you would consider elte.
PJ Fleck
Taggart
Herman (not coming here but he counts)
Chad Morris (probably wouldn't fit but he counts)
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How do you know how deep the search went? Are you admitting you believe the stupid rumors (or some, since there were dozens) being tossed around?
the BR media is pumping the "2 candidates and then O" story and they're in full blown positiger mode
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
Not saying that at all. I say it's not a terrible hire just because you say it is. I say it's not a terrible hire until it is proven on the field or not. I say why are the personal attacks on Ed Orgeron justified? I have read plenty directly at the man. Why not calm down and wait and see?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:03 pm to lurkr
Agreed. Our players are excited and hopeful, O is excited and fired up with a vision, and this bunch of morons on here are pissing all over anything good that could develop. It is a disgrace.
And it would seem that the Admins are just going to allow it to continue. There is a difference between an opinion and outright hateful bashing.
And it would seem that the Admins are just going to allow it to continue. There is a difference between an opinion and outright hateful bashing.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:03 pm to crazy4lsu
You are so mad you can't even read and comprehend
The poster you replied to was speaking in past tense. And you run with the future.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:04 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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I say it's not a terrible hire just because you say it is.
are you assuming i'm just saying this without data or something?
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I say why are the personal attacks on Ed Orgeron justified?
they were once celebrated on here
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:05 pm to LSU GrandDad
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maybe you just don't know how to express your opinion. trashing someone is not an opinion. he's being made fun of for the way he looks, the way he talks, etc,etc.
No he's not. People are using the "he talks like us" crap because that IS WHY THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THE HIRE WANTED HIM!
These same people claim that LSU is a top 5 job and program. A top 5 program doesn't hire a DL coach as their HC because "he talks like us". You want to compete with teams like Bama, you got to be cutthroat like Bama. You don't settle and you don't take "no" for an answer.
I'm not saying coach O is going to destroy the program. He isn't. He just isn't going to make it sustainably better. Could he win a championship? Possibly, with the right hires, but the problem with that is, that once you win with those guys, other programs will start calling them. You won't keep winning coordinators on staff for more than 2 years and you can't guarantee you can lock up the next big time coordinator to fill the last ones spot.
THAT is the concern many of us have. The vast majority of us love coach O. It isn't anything personal against him. We know he is a great recruiter and a good DL guy, we just don't believe he is HC material.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Name some who you would consider elte.
Elite? I think Taggart, Rhule, Fleck, MacIntyre among others did more in their careers than O has. Taggart is going to be a superstar. I don't think O would have gotten the job without Aranda. I think a real search should have been done, and we should have used the same criteria we used to hire two NC coaches in a row.
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How do you know how deep the search went?
Given what we do know and what's been reported, I don't think the search was that thorough.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:06 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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You are so mad you can't even read and comprehend
The poster you replied to was speaking in past tense. And you run with the future.
I'm not mad. I'm positive. Positivity is what can save this program and positivity has proven to win football games by itself. Positivity!
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:06 pm to dukke v
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you have ZERO clue how good O will do....
I think we have a pretty good idea. He coached 7 games this year and looked totally clueless against the 2 best teams we played. Wasted timeouts, bad clock management and no answer to help LSU succeed during those games.
It's not hard to look good when you're beating the teams you're supposed to beat, but the good coaches pull their teams through the rough spots.
O showed that he's incapable of doing that this year and during his only other head coaching stint.
Take a long look at Tennessee because that's what happens when you screw up a hire.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:07 pm to crazy4lsu
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I'm not mad. I'm positive. Positivity is what can save this program and positivity has proven to win football games by itself. Positivity!
Positivity worked real well this year against Bama and Florida...
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:07 pm to crazy4lsu
I am not stupid. I can see the sarcasm.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the BR media is pumping the "2 candidates and then O" story and they're in full blown positiger mode
It's also been reported that LSU reached out to many possible candidates to gauge interest.
Herman was never coming. Fleck is probably the only one you mentioned that legitimately could have ended up at LSU. I think recruiting is the big question with him. I have no idea whether LSU made contact with him or not.
O is a fairly safe default choice at this point IMO, though I would have preferred Jimbo but think Alleva screwed that up last year. O can be demoted or dismissed at any time.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 5:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well i mean when your AD engages in the worst coaching search in modern history, throw a temper tantrum like a 15 year old girl, rushes a hire that didn't need to be rushed, and settles on a coach that has a terrible track record and literally no demand (While being a huge joke on this board for years), you're going to have some people get upset
I really hope you find a team to root for. I'm guessing it will be whoever is playing LSU every week. Saw you are willing to do a cash wager. I'm very interested, what are the terms?
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