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re: The problem is not with our offense is...
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:30 pm to Dead Fish
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:30 pm to Dead Fish
FYI - Total time of possession for the season is almost dead even: LSU-29:15, Opponents-30:45. LSU is converting 48% of third downs compared to 31% for the opponents. LSU has three more first downs than its opponents. And here is the reason why we have been outgained on offense (first column is obviously LSU):
KICK RETURNS: #-Yards 9-253 17-291
PUNT RETURNS: #-Yards 8-173 1-7
INT RETURNS: #-Yards 5-106 2-2
KICK RETURN AVERAGE 28.1 17.1
PUNT RETURN AVERAGE 21.6 7.0
INT RETURN AVERAGE 21.2 1.0
As you can see, we have outgained opponents on kick, punt and INT returns by over 230 yards. This against three real opponents. Not the best we will play, but I would like to remind you that many of the so-called experts picked the opponent in every game we've been in so far this year. How'd that work out for 'em?
KICK RETURNS: #-Yards 9-253 17-291
PUNT RETURNS: #-Yards 8-173 1-7
INT RETURNS: #-Yards 5-106 2-2
KICK RETURN AVERAGE 28.1 17.1
PUNT RETURN AVERAGE 21.6 7.0
INT RETURN AVERAGE 21.2 1.0
As you can see, we have outgained opponents on kick, punt and INT returns by over 230 yards. This against three real opponents. Not the best we will play, but I would like to remind you that many of the so-called experts picked the opponent in every game we've been in so far this year. How'd that work out for 'em?
This post was edited on 9/22/10 at 12:38 pm
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:30 pm to Dead Fish
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Yes our offense for the most part in 2007 was Jimbo Fisher's. What he is referring to is Crowton's option route scheme
I'm all for dumping Crowton, but a good bit of the offense in 07 was his...including option routes.
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Crowton's opinion matters because he now holds the same two jobs at LSU. As he and Flynn have felt each other out for two months, they have found a medium. Crowton has added an option package to the LSU playbook, and more "read" routes out of the shotgun. The quarterback and wide receiver will read the defense and adjust on the fly.
Crowton is doing some adjusting himself. He is incorporating the power running game that he found when he got to Baton Rouge.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:31 pm to Dead Fish
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Because unlike you did he didn't make or insinuate racist things.
Link please bitch.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:36 pm to ForeLSU
I meant to respond to you yesterday about this, because I fell asleep after the Saints game on Monday and didn't see this post.
There is no question that "some" read routes were put in - like Perrilloux's interception in the SEC Championship game when he and Tolliver read the wrong route - but it was not nearly to the extent that we use them now. In addition, Flynn had the authority to call the route at the line before the snap, something I seriously doubt they allow Jefferson to do.
Again, all ask is that somebody point me to a QB who has been successful under Crowton's scheme when it was completely installed.
There is no question that "some" read routes were put in - like Perrilloux's interception in the SEC Championship game when he and Tolliver read the wrong route - but it was not nearly to the extent that we use them now. In addition, Flynn had the authority to call the route at the line before the snap, something I seriously doubt they allow Jefferson to do.
Again, all ask is that somebody point me to a QB who has been successful under Crowton's scheme when it was completely installed.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:39 pm to Antonio Moss
One thing for sure is Miles will not throw the ball in the red zone even if it cost him a loss! 
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:42 pm to Antonio Moss
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Again, all ask is that somebody point me to a QB who has been successful under Crowton's scheme when it was completely installed.
I don't remember the specifics of the Rattay period at Tech, I know he played some Juco ball. But what is happening right now with the offense was predicted when Crowton got here.
And again, my only point in this debate is the "we were running Fisher's offense in 2007", which isn't true. If it were, then Crowton did a better job running Fisher's offense than Jimbo did, with less-talented players.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:45 pm to mt1
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You will never get DF to admit to your last sentence because JJ is fricking awesome.
Let’s see the first one came on a 3rd and 4 but Crowton called a 2 yard pass which was complete and which left 4th and 2, and the other one was a dropped pass in the end zone by RS when the ball hit him in the hands. It’s kind of hard to blame them on JJ. I have a feeling that on the first one, TT was supposed to go past the first down marker before making his cut, but he didn’t. In any event, it’s hard to blame that one on JJ because he has to assume that TT made his cut at the right point. Hence, you are correct, it would be kind of hard to convince me, but you are wrong in that I don't hold that JJ is awesome, just that he is better than JL, which is why he is the starter.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:47 pm to ForeLSU
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I don't remember the specifics of the Rattay period at Tech, I know he played some Juco ball. But what is happening right now with the offense was predicted when Crowton got here.
Rattay was awesome, but Crowton was running a different scheme at the time. La Tech ran a pure spread passing attack, not the current option offense.
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And again, my only point in this debate is the "we were running Fisher's offense in 2007", which isn't true.
Not completely. They ran a hybrid of Fisher's offense with a lot of Miles' influences (remember he was the OC at Oklahoma State prior to being head coach) with the pistol and sweep option plays (as well as some read routes) from Crowton.
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If it were, then Crowton did a better job running Fisher's offense than Jimbo did, with less-talented players.
2006 offense was better than 2007. And, FWIW, that was probably the most involved Miles has ever been with the offense since he's been here.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:55 pm to Dead Fish
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Let’s see the first one came on a 3rd and 4 but Crowton called a 2 yard pass which was complete and which left 4th and 2, and the other one was a dropped pass in the end zone by RS when the ball hit him in the hands. It’s kind of hard to blame them on JJ.
Not exactly.
Tolliver's route depends on the DB playing over him. He and Jefferson both read slant, but didn't run it deep enough. It's easy to criticize in hindsight and say that Tolliver should have run deeper or Jefferson should have looked elsewhere, however, if Tolliver runs the slant too deep, it creates a lot of space for the DB or LB to jump the route. It's also difficult to expect Jefferson to recognize the difference between 2 1/2 yards and 4 yards on a split second read.
The other stall was when Jefferson dirted it in front of Randle near the endzone. Everyone was well covered, but Jefferson should have ate that ball. We were well within FG range and he was in the process of being taken down. That's a risky pass that doesn't need to be made. IMO, that was Jefferson's biggest mistake against MSU.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:58 pm to ForeLSU
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Crowton's opinion matters because he now holds the same two jobs at LSU. As he and Flynn have felt each other out for two months, they have found a medium. Crowton has added an option package to the LSU playbook, and more "read" routes out of the shotgun. The quarterback and wide receiver will read the defense and adjust on the fly.
Crowton is doing some adjusting himself. He is incorporating the power running game that he found when he got to Baton Rouge.
I have always maintained that with the exception of a few Crowton wrinkles, i.e., the pistol package and an option route package, the offense for the most part was Jimbo Fisher’s offense. Moreover, a package is a far cry from your entire passing and running offense being based off of his particular scheme. Nice try though.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:59 pm to Dead Fish
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No not really. He may have a quicker release, but his arm and his accuracy isn't as good as JJ's is in games. If you believe otherwise, re-watch the La Tech game from last season.
Fail. That was a horrendous game by lee, no doubt. he had all the support from the crowd too...lol...but his performance against Tech and jefferson's performance against vandy were very similar. Lee has a much better vertical passing game than jefferson. Always did. It's just the int's that he had a couple years ago. Maybe they are gone now, maybe they aren't....but if my team is trailing with a couple minutes to go, I'm wanting lee in the game (a confident lee)...he simply is a better vertical passer of 15-20 yards.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:00 pm to mike4lsu
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He is content on being a middle of the road SEC team, the sort of Oklahoma State of the SEC West.
I find it funny that you believe this.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:01 pm to ForeLSU
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And again, my only point in this debate is the "we were running Fisher's offense in 2007", which isn't true. If it were, then Crowton did a better job running Fisher's offense than Jimbo did, with less-talented players.
It's true all right. I remember reading about 40 or 50 articles explaining why they made that decision.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:02 pm to cajunjj
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One thing for sure is Miles will not throw the ball in the red zone even if it cost him a loss!
FAIL
Both sheppard and tolliver dropped balls in the endzone.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:04 pm to Dead Fish
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And again, my only point in this debate is the "we were running Fisher's offense in 2007", which isn't true. If it were, then Crowton did a better job running Fisher's offense than Jimbo did, with less-talented players.
It's true all right. I remember reading about 40 or 50 articles explaining why they made that decision.
I'm not a crowton fan at all. But it's hilarious how if something goes good it is ALWAYS someone else responsible no matter what. Fisher was long gone, yet getting credit for the offense at LSU. lol...laughable. Kind of like Saban getting credit for the first THREE years at LSU....until lsu hit a bump in the road then it was miles fault...lol...and like the team this year....it's miles offense, because they suck, but it's chavis defense..because they are good.....lmao...some real idiots.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:05 pm to Antonio Moss
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2006 offense was better than 2007.
more talented, but the 07 offense was more potent in its attack because it came from so many different angles. The 06 team didn't have a performance like Va Tech or Ohio State on it's resume, unless you count Notre Dame...which is iffy, at best
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:12 pm to ForeLSU
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more talented, but the 07 offense was more potent in its attack because it came from so many different angles. The 06 team didn't have a performance like Va Tech or Ohio State on it's resume, unless you count Notre Dame...which is iffy, at best
2006 Offense
#9 Points per game
#12 Total yards per game
#31 Rushing yards per game
#19 Passing yards per game
2007 Offense
#12 Points per game
#23 Total yards per game
#12 Rushing yards per game
#59 Passing yards per game
2007 - Better rushing offense.
2006 - Better total offense, passing offense, and scoring offense.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:14 pm to mike4lsu
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Miles is fundamentally committed to running the ball over passing in a power I or whatever with a few safe short passes here and there. Low risk, low reward.
This is the same problem with Saban's offense at Bama--low risk, low reward.
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:21 pm to LSUfan4444
I would ask all of you to keep in mind that we sometimes have young adults post on here and they should be welcome to, but please watch or choose your words carefully... it could be your kids
Posted on 9/22/10 at 1:21 pm to AntiAntiTiger
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Fail. That was a horrendous game by lee, no doubt. he had all the support from the crowd too...lol...but his performance against Tech and jefferson's performance against vandy were very similar.
Uhm…I hate to rain on your ignorant parade, but even JJ’s poor performance when he was ill at Vandy isn’t as bad as JL’s was against La Tech, as at least JJ hit 40 percent of his passes, while JL hit only 31 percent. However, if there is any consolation, JL hit on 40 percent of his passes when he relieved JJ in the Bama game. Not to mention that JL is so far superior and more accurate than JJ that he set a new NCAA record with 7 pick sixes in 16 interceptions in just 8 starts in 2008. Impressive! As for as strength of arm goes, per all the coaches and players JJ has a much stronger arm than JL.
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Lee has a much better vertical passing game than jefferson. Always did
Sure he does, which is why he is the starter. Oh, wait.
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It's just the int's that he had a couple years ago.
Really? That’s not what Miles says. Miles says that JL has made immense improvement from last year to this year, and if JJ was still the same quarterback he was last year, that JL would be starting.
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Maybe they are gone now, maybe they aren't....but if my team is trailing with a couple minutes to go, I'm wanting lee in the game (a confident lee)...he simply is a better vertical passer of 15-20 yards.
I’m glad you aren’t the coach because you suck even more than Miles.
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