- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: The OL is the main offensive problem as exampled here
Posted on 10/12/09 at 11:16 am to coolmonk
Posted on 10/12/09 at 11:16 am to coolmonk
Actually, the most recruited OL as far as rating go are no longer on the team.
Jarvis Jones (4*) -- starting for OU
Matt Allen (4*) -- starting for Texas A&M
Ernest McCoy (4*) -- gone somewhere
Add in the Synders (medical), Singleton (gone), etc. and you see that the upperclassmen along the OL aren't even at LSU anymore.
Jarvis Jones (4*) -- starting for OU
Matt Allen (4*) -- starting for Texas A&M
Ernest McCoy (4*) -- gone somewhere
Add in the Synders (medical), Singleton (gone), etc. and you see that the upperclassmen along the OL aren't even at LSU anymore.
0
Posted on 10/12/09 at 11:18 am to Tomm
quote:i think coaching is the main problem. the blocking schemes and depth of the qb drop are both issues that coaching should be able to fix.
the OL IS the main problem
Posted on 10/12/09 at 11:21 am to Tomm
Miles is protecting his young QB and himself....he should have went to Lee for a series or 2, and Shep should have gotten snaps
Posted on 10/12/09 at 11:21 am to TiegerTim
I agree that it is the OC job to compensate or try to spackle over a weakness. IMO, Crowton isn't running any of the classic plays to help out the OL which are generally under the umbrella of misdirection plays. Having said that, the OL is still awfully bad as confirmed by just about every sports journalist, Miles, the players on offense, etc.
Oh, and BTW, if the OL is not the major problem then why can't LSU run the ball against even 6 people in the box. And Georgia and Florida did not stack the box, and take away Scott's last 33 yard TD run, and LSU has done squat the last 2 games against teams who played a pretty vanilla defense.
Oh, and BTW, if the OL is not the major problem then why can't LSU run the ball against even 6 people in the box. And Georgia and Florida did not stack the box, and take away Scott's last 33 yard TD run, and LSU has done squat the last 2 games against teams who played a pretty vanilla defense.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 11:22 am to Tomm
Kindly go kill yourself. Please take JJ's nutsack out of your mouth first, so he isn't hurt.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 11:27 am to Tomm
quote:because if i can pretty much call what plays we are gunna run from my couch, don't you think that a Defensive coordinator who studies LSU's film can do the same? Scott in the game, off tackle run. KW in the game, poorly run option to the weak side of the field, if we pass it'll be from the shotgun and he'll take a 10 yard drop so we don't need to pass blitz much... you don't have to stack 9 in the box if you know whats coming, it called disguising your defense...
why can't LSU run the ball against even 6 people in the box
Posted on 10/12/09 at 11:32 am to Tomm
quote:
Oh, and BTW, if the OL is not the major problem then why can't LSU run the ball against even 6 people in the box. And Georgia and Florida did not stack the box, and take away Scott's last 33 yard TD run, and LSU has done squat the last 2 games against teams who played a pretty vanilla defense.
That's a pretty sad statement. If we run 3 or 4 wide and they put 6 in the box it is called stacking the box. If you have more defenders in the box than you can block it is called stacking the box. Take out a piece of paper. Using "o" as the offensive player and "x" as the defensive player. Line up 4 wide with a single safety. That is what defenses are doing against our 4 wide. When you have a QB worth a crap you force the D to move the additional LB off the field and replace him with a safety. Most D's are playing single safety or rolling the safety over into coverage.
You can't block 6 people with 5. To show an example the standard "i formation" has 5 lineman, a TE and a FB. That is 7 people blocking for a run. If the defender puts 8 in the box that is called "stacking" the box. So it's the same when you run the spread.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:42 pm to thanksjhester
quote:i'm not blaming them for everything but come on, you have got to be able to see that right now, they're not doing anything very well and some things terrible. it's completely shutting down the offense. jefferson allegedly not stepping up in the pocket is insignificant when the line is collapsing. someone else already mentioned that the middle of the line might be playing worse than the ends thus killing the stepping up in the pocket theory
Quit trying to blame the o line for everything!
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:44 pm to coolmonk
quote:oh good grief. recruiting isn't the issue. an o line requires chemistry to get the scheme down. this line doesn't have it. when you throw in getting beat one on one, that's a recipe for disaster. this attitude of blaming the coaches is reaching a new low with people reaching for anything.
Who recruited the OLine then???
Isn't that Miles specialty?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:47 pm to Commando
Why don't you show me the best way to get it done, MORON!
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:49 pm to TiegerTim
quote:i'll ask again. are the coaches to blame when ciron black gets beat one on one? how is that coaching? that guy has been around, knows the system, knows what he's supposed to do and is supposedly one of the top linemen in the draft. it's just pride and hustle. they don't have it for whatever reason. a player shouldn't have to rely on coaching to get psyched up for simple man to man blocking.
i think coaching is the main problem
as far as the qb drop, if he steps up in the pocket, we'll get sacked even quicker because the center of the line isn't holding their blocks either. what difference does the drop make when there is no pocket?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:49 pm to Tomm
you have around 120-200 posts in one day. just quit.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:50 pm to DoubleDeuce
Huh? Sometimes there is a 6th blocker called the TE. Sometimes there is a 6th blocker called a FB. The bottom line is 6 in the box is NOT stacking the box by anyone's definition that knows anything about football. Sooooo, once again the fact that LSU can't run against a vanilla defense says volumes about the poor play of the OL. Spin it anyway you want to, but that is a clear indicator.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:53 pm to NIH
Thanks but no thanks...mind YOUR own business and since you like to give advice...take some. Learn something about football instead of just proving you don't. BTW, still 
about you trying to con and scam this board into taking sack yardage away from what Jefferson has REALLY done on the ground. That scam wasn't even close to working.
about you trying to con and scam this board into taking sack yardage away from what Jefferson has REALLY done on the ground. That scam wasn't even close to working.Posted on 10/12/09 at 12:57 pm to DoubleDeuce
quote:but this isn't going on the whole game. again, it's demonstrable that the linemen aren't blocking well. they should be better than they are and i don't know what the problem is nor would any of us because we aren't in the program. we just observe from the outside. i just hope this loss motivates them to get better.
You can't block 6 people with 5
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:29 pm to DoubleDeuce
it is not really the same when someone runs the spread. our coach just does not allow our QB to make those decisions, and it may cost him and this team big wins. JJ needs to have the confidence to let it rip. even if there were 6 on 5, audible out to a screen pass, or something similar to keep the defense honest.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:41 pm to Tomm
I agree wholeheartedly. It didn't help much that Jefferson had that "deer in the headlights" look about him from the first snap. The problems appear to be coaching-related and a need for personnel to fit the "system" designed by the OC instead of taking the strengths of those same personnel and tweaking the "system" so those players have a much greater chance at success. Frankly, I'm extremely disappointed at Crowton's play-calling. I can predict nearly 75% of what LSU is going to call; if I can, certainly any college football program can do the same. I would have expected some COMPLETELY NEW PLAYS which haven't been seen before this year: NOT! I would have expected safety valve receivers and hot-reads to counter the pass rush: NOT! I would have expected Shepard to fake a run and instead pass: NOT! I would have expected the offfense to send a message to Florida early with a Loooong pass just to keep them honest the rest of the game: NOT! The offensive game plan was, well .... OFFENSIVE to me! Lack of vision, poor planning to attack Florida's defense (which is QUITE GOOD, I must say). Crowton arrived with much fanfare but his vanilla play-calling and tiny playbook makes it easy for even Evangel High School to figure out what's likely coming next. Ah, but Miles had to approve this approach so ultimately it falls on him. I'm not saying throw the baby out with the bathwater but let's put the blame where it belongs. IMPROVISE; THROW A WRINKLE INTO *EVERY GAME*; QUIT BEING AFRAID TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS *DURING* the GAME; and for Pete's sake, design offensive plays we ARE capable of running with the personnel in the game!!!! Geeeezzzz .....
Posted on 10/12/09 at 1:44 pm to Tomm
quote:
Huh? Sometimes there is a 6th blocker called the TE.
There's a center (1), 2 guards (thats 3) 2 tackles (that's 5) and a TE (that's 6)!!! When you line up in a pro-style I formation there is a TE which is called the strong side. You have 6 "line-men" and a FB. You then have 7 blockers. It's easy math.
Most people identify 8 people in the box as "stacking" the box. Well if you line up in a 4 wide set with a single back that is eligible then you have only 5 line-men to block for the runner. The defense only has to put 6 in the box for you to not be able to block everyone.
quote:
The bottom line is 6 in the box is NOT stacking the box by anyone's definition that knows anything about football.
It is if you DO know anything about football. If you draw a power run in a 4 wide set you intend on their being one backer and 2 safeties. There aren't too many defenses that with a respectable QB would run this type of defense. What UF did was play Spikes and Jones remove the 3rd LB and let Black play single safety with a dime package.
Page 4 of 5
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News