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re: The Offense Hasn't Been the Main Problem
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:12 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:12 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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again, using totals to rank offense is flawed and is skewed by the amount of play you run. lsu was 36th in passing yards PER ATTEMPT.
BUT
lsu was 115th in pass attempts per game. so of course our passing totals were low
People that use totals as a measurement for an offense's success dont really understand which stats are important and which arent.
Like i said and FACTS BACK UP, we were passing efficiency away from being elite last year.
Like yards per attempt aren't skewed by a low number of attempts? You rely on stats like a drunk uses a light pole, for support not illumination.
Yards per attempt alone would tell us that the service academies have the three best passing offenses in FBS. What a stat. No matter how you want to shade it, the passing offense is deficient. Yards per attempt is wonderful. Unfortunately we aren't efficient enough to use our passing game to move the chains or cross up defenses.
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 2:33 pm to therick711
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You rely on stats like a drunk uses a light pole, for support not illumination.
Deserved repeating.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:25 pm to therick711
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Like yards per attempt aren't skewed by a low number of attempts?
Yards per attempt arent skewed by anything. They show how successful your offense or defense was once the balk os snapped.
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You rely on stats like a drunk uses a light pole, for support not illuminatio
Says the guy using stats to shite on lsu's 2015 offense. Good god bruh. This was your post....
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Below average passing offense, which hurts our balance and makes us predictable. Last year LSU was 106 in passing yards per game. That made LSU 11th in the conference. LSU was 12th in the conference in completion percentage. 102 in the country.
Im not sorry for trying to show you that no one that really knows football uses totals as barometer for success.
But yes i use FACTS to base my argument on and not biased opinion of posters on here that dont even get to see the all 22 film.
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Unfortunately we aren't efficient enough to use our passing game to move the chains or cross up defenses.
Which is the exact thing i said in my 1st post that you had a problem with.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:26 pm to Wind Rivers Tiger
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Deserved repeating.
Again, yes i uses FACTS rather the football ignorant opinions of people that dont get to see the all 22 film.im sorry that there are facts that shite all over some people's opinions.deal with it.
Ill take my FACTS over anyone's opinion. As would any adult.
That's whats do laughable. The only people that shite on stats and facts are people that dont have stats and facts in their corner.
Its not my opinion that lsu's 2015 offense was 4th in the sec in offensive yards per game and 3rd in the sec in offensive points per game. ITS A frickING FACT.
If you had stats showing how shitty our offense was in 2015 youd be using them just like you use the bad passing totals. So dont act like you dont use facts when they support your argument. The fact is my arguments are almost always backed up by facts. Deal with it.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:28 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Let's say Team A had one attempt for 10 yards on the season. Let's say Team B had 420 attempts for an average of 8.1 yards an attempt.
Which team had the better passing attack in your estimation? QED.
Which team had the better passing attack in your estimation? QED.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:29 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Rickdaddy4188
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i uses FACTS rather the football ignorant opinions
Dude, you use cherry picked stats. You always have. For God's sake, you're using a passing stat that has the service academies at the top. And, you conveniently ignored that part of Rick's post.
I wonder, why is that? I'd loved to read your response to it.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:31 pm to therick711
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Team A
Of course
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:33 pm to cheeznet
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Dude, you use cherry picked stats. You always have. For God's sake, you're using a passing stat that has the service academies at the top.
It shows that WHEN the ball was snapped the service academies were successful when they passed.
Noni dont cherry pick shite. How is using our offensive yards per game and offensive points per game? cherry picking. Please show me.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:34 pm to therick711
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Let's say Team A had on attempt for 10 yards on the season. Let's say Team B had 420 attempts for an average of 8.1 yards an attempt.
There are prerequisites on the amount of attempts to be ranked. This is common knowledge.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:40 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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There are prerequisites on the amount of attempts to be ranked. This is common knowledge.
Why would they do that? To prevent from skewing the rankings with a low amount of attempts? Like I said, QED.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:51 pm to therick711
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Why would they do that? To prevent from skewing the rankings with a low amount of attempts? Like I said, QED.
Its not near as skewed as totals.
You used totals because it supported your opinion that lsu passing sucked. You really believe our totals wouldnt have been higher if we werent 115th in pass attempts. Once your reach the prerequisite its not nearly as skewed as the other way. Of course its easier having a higher yard per attempt if you have out of the ordinary low attempts . Lsu was out of ordinary low om attempts like the service programs and you know it.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:52 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Your premise is faulty. Completion percentage isn't totals. Yards per game isn't totals.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 3:57 pm to cheeznet
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Dude, you use cherry picked stats
Please show me my cherry picked stats.
The constant facts i post on here are...
1. Miles has the #1 win % in lsu history.
How is that cherry picked?
2. Miles has the 7th best win % in sec history.
How is that cherry picked?
3. Miles has the #1 ooc win % in sec history.
How is that cherry picked?
4. Miles' last 5 years have a better win loss record than Saban's tenure at lsu.
How is that cherry picked?
5. Since Miles' hire no program has beaten more ranked teams.
How is that cherry picked?
6. Since his hire no program has been ranked in the top 25 more weeks
How is that cherry picked?
7. Miles has the most top 25, top 20, top 15, top 10,top5 finishes in lsu history.
How is that cherry picked?
8. Miles has as many top 5 finishes at lsu as Saban, Mac, and Dietzel combined.
How is that cherry picked?
Im sorry these FACTS shite on a few of your opinions but they are in no way cherry picked.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:03 pm to therick711
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Your premise is fault
No its not. My premise is tried and true. Yards per attempt is a better measure of success than totals.its common knowledge in football.
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Completion percentage isn't totals.
No shite.its efficiency which is what i said we lacked.
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Yards per game isn't totals.
Are fricking kidding?
Your yards per game are made up by adding game TOTALS and dividing by games.
I fond it funny that you reject any stats that shows lsu's offense wasnt shite last year and tout the stats that show we somehow sucked.
Ok we will do it your way.
Lsu was 4th in the sec in offensive yards per game. FACT.
Lsu was 3rd in OFFENSIVE (not defensive or special teams)points per game.
We were passing efficiency away from being elite. Which was my point to begin with.
Youre a decent poster and ive enjoyed the cordial disagreement and discussion.
I say this because know im a loud obnoxious cajun and i come off as huge dick. Im working on it.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:05 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Settle down, Amanda. I said our passing offense is deficient. It is. Yards per attempt is a great tool if you are using it for illumination. You are using it like a crutch. You even admit it when you say we weren't efficient. You further admit it when you bring up a minimum amount of attempts being needed to make sure it isn't skewed. Nothing you have provided refutes any observation made in my posts. I've done a pretty thorough job parrying your attempts, though. 
ETA: same here. Despite my using a girl's name above. I do it because it is known to upset loudmouth cajuns.
ETA: same here. Despite my using a girl's name above. I do it because it is known to upset loudmouth cajuns.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:14 pm to therick711
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Nothing you have provided refutes any observation made in my posts.
Bruh. Come on. This was the post i started replying to you about...
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Below average passing offense, which hurts our balance and makes us predictable. Last year LSU was 106 in passing yards per game. That made LSU 11th in the conference. LSU was 12th in the conference in completion percentage. 102 in the country.
You really think our passing offense was really the 106th worst passing attack or that we were 115th in pass attempts and it vastly skewed our totals?
i mean come on. we were 114th in % of time we called pass plays.
Look i agree on the completion %. Straight garbage but the passing totals are severely skewed by the amount of times we called a pass play.
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You are using it like a crutch
Im not. Im using it to show how successful we were when we actually ran a pass play.
And im not saying our pass offense was good. I'm just saying we were no where near the 106th worst pass attack.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:23 pm to therick711
quote:Actually using SEC stats clears the pic more than any of the national rank stats being argued. Both of you are correct and wrong concurrently as ypa doesn't give whole pic, nor does ypg take into account HUNH vs Pro Os, defensive rank of majority of opponents and other factors in such a broad spectrum.
To prevent from skewing the rankings with a low amount of attempts? Like I said, QED.
CFB isn't played on a level field, so to speak, nationally.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 6:29 pm to Mayhawman
Anyone using raw YPA without explaining interceptions and how they're weighting them as a part of YPA (How they treat INT/FUM Lost is rumored to be a large part of why ESPN Stats and Info won't release their exact methodology behind their QBR Metric) is reading blog headlines.
Interceptions should impact any YPA Metric. That you're using the raw number is telling.
You know enough to be dangerous, but being able to conjugate Spanish doesn't mean you're fluent enough to list being bilingual on your resume.
Interceptions should impact any YPA Metric. That you're using the raw number is telling.
You know enough to be dangerous, but being able to conjugate Spanish doesn't mean you're fluent enough to list being bilingual on your resume.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 6:47 pm to BigBrod81
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Yes, because sports hernia doesn't effect an athletes core which would effect a QBs ability to throw accurately
Most football players play hurt. If Harris was too injured to be effective, Cam and Les should've pulled him. Excuses.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:01 pm to atltiger6487
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Most football players play hurt.
Isn't that what Harris tried to do? quote:
If Harris was too injured to be effective
A sports hernia is probably the least understood of all the injuries that involve professional level and collegiate level athletes. A sports hernia is a tear to the oblique abdominal muscles. Unlike a traditional hernia, the sports hernia does not create a hole in the abdominal wall. As a result, there is no visible bulge under the skin. This means making a definitive sports hernia diagnosis is difficult.
Drew Brees describing his oblique strain in 2014 & the negative effects it had on his game.
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A quarterback's power doesn't purely come from his arm, he said, but rather the strength of his core. For a while, that was lost.
"People say, 'Oh, he's got a strong arm,' but it really has very little to do with your actual arm," Brees said. "It's the way that you generate power and force, and there's certain elements to your body and the way that you throw and your strength that allow you to create that type of power."
"So anytime that you have a core injury, which the oblique is ... then that's kind of that whole rotational element loads up and creates power when you throw the ball. For a while there, I didn't have that."
Brees wouldn't reveal his other injury, but he did admit he overcompensated in other areas to try to deal with it, which caused things to worsen as the season went on.
"As I kind of worked back from (the oblique), maybe in order to protect that, I would overcompensate in other ways and develop bad habits, which worked, for a short period of time," he said, "Then all of a sudden other things started going downhill and you just get away from the good habits and the consistency of your mechanics."
LINK
It's funny how an oblique injury can effect the play of a future Hall of Famer & one of the most accurate QBs in NFL history yet you expect it not to effect a true sophomore in college.
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Cam and Les should've pulled him.
I'm sure you were really anxious to see Anthony Jennings get in there at QB.
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why??? Jennings got plenty of reps last year.
We need Harris to get the vast, vast majority of the game reps to get him ready for the meat of our schedule. Jennings isn't the answer. Everything should be geared toward Harris.
LINK
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Excuses.
Sorry, you can't deal with facts.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 11:44 pm
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