re: The LSU QB Delusion/Illusion

I agree. Like I said; I read a thread today asking if a kid that couldn't start at Purdue could start here. I get frustrated with the conservative play calling (someone corrected me today and said execution NOT creativity) which I couldn't agree more with.

But it's like people hear that Miles can't coach up a QB enough; that they just start regurgitating what they hear when his record of QBS2NFL say otherwise.

Mike's has and will continue to put QBs in the NFL. Maybe in the next year or two (Harris), if he DEVELOPS more.

Great!

Than the statement that Miles cannot develop a QB is either totally right or totally wrong.

If it's totally right than its because Miles is not an OC, therefore doesn't develop QBs in the first place.

If it's totally wrong than its because Miles was the HC that sent 3 QBs over 11 years to the NFL.

Ya'll can't have it both ways.

But the paradox is that it's somewhere in between. I'm just trying to make the black and white arguement that Miles has been unsuccessful at developing a QB a truly black and white argument.

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maybe we expect too much, especially from our younger QBs.

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I'm in this camp, generally, and a bona fide Positiger(tm) to boot, but sometimes I think we have a chronic problem in this area - and it goes way, way, way back. In the post-McClendon era, we've had, predominantly, "game manager" just "good enough" QBs or (college) busts, primarily (obviously this excludes Hodson, Jamarcus Russell and Mett).

In the 1980s - we had Risher, Wickersham and Hodson - while Hodson was a legitimate prodigy, and Risher and Wickersham were tough as nails, old school QBs - the numbers are not staggering:

1980 Alan Risher 143 82 971 9
1981 Alan Risher 238 150 1,780 5
1982 Alan Risher 234 149 1,834 17
1983 Jeff Wickersham 337 193 2,542 7
1984 Jeff Wickersham 312 178 2,165 12
1985 Jeff Wickersham 346 209 2,145 5
1986 Tommy Hodson 288 175 2,261 19
1987 Tommy Hodson 265 162 2,125 15
1988 Tommy Hodson 293 154 2,074 13
1989 Tommy Hodson 317 183 2,655 22

Sadly, that's about our best overall "run" of quarterbacking in 35 years.

The 90s were just bad all around. Needless to say Loup became a doctor, I was as happy as anyone that Howard helped "Bring Back the Magic" as a senior and Herb Tyler, G-d Bless him - didn't do anything "great" as a QB except win games.

Booty, Davey and Nall all made NFL rosters, despite being part of the same QB class - Nall only had limited snaps before having a nice run at Northwestern State. Davey had a great single year, but we threw the ball almost 400 times in 2001.

Mauck, much like Booty, came to us after a pro baseball stint. Perhaps the epitome of the working man's "get it done" game manager QB. He did just enough when we needed it to get the big win in 2003

I first noticed the internet "negatiger" phenomenon during the 2004 season. Marcus Randall was a great kid and a fierce competitor but he should have played defense in college (FWIW, he did a little in the NFL).

Obviously, Russell's stats and athletic freakishness speak for itself - a bigger, stronger, faster version of Rohan Davey, but without the Jamaican-born Davey's heart and fire.

And then, with Flynn, we had, more or less Matt Mauck, Part 2.

Then we had the string that leads us up to today. JJ/JL, Mett and now AJ/BH.

I always say, "I like all our quarterbacks." And I do. But I do not see consistent improvement from most of them in the Miles era and it is discouraging. While I saw flashes from Jefferson, Lee and Jennings - these flashes never amounted to a better quarterback weak-to-weak. I do believe that Miles was traumatized by losing Perilloux and having to play untested and, ultimately it must be concluded, unsuccessful QBs Jefferson and Lee. Mett was a different animal and between his prior-to-LSU development, whatever clicked between him and Cameron, combined with having Hill behind him and OBJ and Landry running routes/making circus catches every game, we got what we got from the position in 2013.

And, now here we are - possibly (I don't think so - I think it comes together for Harris in 2016) a 7th (main, 8th if you count Jarrett Lee) different starter at the position in 9 years - if Etling, for example, were to usurp Harris as the starter for 2016.

I think we've had some good ones. Even before the modern era of FB. I think I wanted to be Hodson when I was a kid. I would rather Harris than Wickersham any day.

But 7 QBs in 25 years is one every 3 years or so. Maybe it's not that bad (delusion) or we think it can be better (illusion.)

And...?

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f we do have 2 Heisman finalists 

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I can't take anything you say seriously now.

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Remember when you were cool?

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I don't get it.

Why are you mad?

ETA: What's a count?

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jimbo developed Russell & Flynn.

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And there it is again...... folks who must think Miles is a QB coach.
Jimbo worked for Miles during the majority of that development and not sure why some want to separate and remove it from his tenure.

I don't recall Crabs having injuries his first two years. And please bring up more than one example. Because your argument is we didn't recruit Winston.

There is 100+ other schools' fans that can say the same thing.