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re: The LesBechler Theory
Posted on 1/20/12 at 2:50 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 1/20/12 at 2:50 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Anyone who can't see that because of a terrible performance in 1 game, albeit a huge game, is just dumb or was predisposed against him anyway.
True dat. Absolutely agree.
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Posted on 1/20/12 at 2:54 pm to geauxjo
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This one game is what most people are basing all of their arguments and theories about Les on
I can name about 5 or 6 other games too. Wasn't just this one.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 2:58 pm to Lee Chatelain
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can name about 5 or 6 other games too. Wasn't just this one.
5 or 6 other games in his entire career here? My gosh, what coach doesn't have 5 or 6 games where they made some key mistakes over the course or 7 years at a program? His successes far outweigh his mistakes....far outweigh them. Record speaks for itself.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 3:21 pm to tiger88
like a blind date this started out OK and kinda interesting but somewhere after "lottery" someone farted and I had to just walk away.....are you high? maybe that's what was missing for me.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 3:46 pm to Lee Chatelain
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This one game is what most people are basing all of their arguments and theories about Les on
Posted on 1/20/12 at 3:52 pm to Tommy Patel
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like a blind date this started out OK and kinda interesting but somewhere after "lottery" someone farted and I had to just walk away.....are you high? maybe that's what was missing for me.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 3:56 pm to Lee Chatelain
quote:Saban can do things that Miles cannot do.
I can name about 5 or 6 other games too. Wasn't just this one.
Like blow a 21-0 first quarter lead.
Miles can only blow a 21-0 halftime lead. And he hasn't done it since 2005.
Saban did it just last year!!!
What the hell is wrong with Miles?!?!
Posted on 1/20/12 at 4:05 pm to Lee Chatelain
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I hope you're not talking about overall success
I'm talking about the season... As was the guy you quoted before me. "how would mile do with saban's schedule?"
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I can't exclude the most important game of the season.
Fair point. Except again, the argument was predominantly about how miles would have done with saban's schedule...
Posted on 1/20/12 at 4:15 pm to just me
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This one game is what most people are basing all of their arguments and theories about Les on.
this is what blind Miles supporters dont understand about this conversation. My "dislike" of Miles' coaching ability ahs little to do with the BCS NCG. Yes, that was one of its most apparent displays, but its goes to a lot choices the guy makes.
His handling of JJ/JL being a big one. I cant understand why anyone that has ever played/watched/coached football would think JJ was better at QB, or that he gave us a better chance to win. After halftime of the Bama game 1 JJ didnt do shite w the option. The only points in regulation after halftime w on Mo's INT and LSU went backwards on the drive.
The he gets one good option in overtime and the game is over. I told many people that LSU COULD NOT beat bama without Lee. Maybe we couldnt beat them with Lee but I knew JJ could not beat that team. They could have been passed on and JJ couldnt do it.
combine this massive F**K up of creating a QB controversy with the most efficient QB in the SEC with, Tennessee '05, UGA'05, UK '07, Arkansas '07, Arkansas '08, Penn St. '09, Tennessee '10, Ole Miss '09, Florida '10 (luckiest bounce in the history of football stood between a win and Miles being a goat).
Every game Miles' either made MASSIVE explainable blunders or he simply got outcoached up and down the field.
I do not think Miles is a bad coach. I think he is top 15 for sure, but these people who think he is top 3 are a joke.
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 1/20/12 at 4:27 pm to legohairedman
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His handling of JJ/JL being a big one. I cant understand why anyone that has ever played/watched/coached football would think JJ was better at QB, or that he gave us a better chance to win. After halftime of the Bama game 1 JJ didnt do shite w the option. The only points in regulation after halftime w on Mo's INT and LSU went backwards on the drive.
The he gets one good option in overtime and the game is over. I told many people that LSU COULD NOT beat bama without Lee. Maybe we couldnt beat them with Lee but I knew JJ could not beat that team. They could have been passed on and JJ couldnt do it.
You should go back and watch that first Alabama then. The option worked for more than just 1 play in overtime. And why doesn't JJ get credit for the scoring drive before half? Lee was a detriment in that game, and if you can't see that then you are blind are incredibly biased. Based on that I can understand why Les placed more confidence in Jefferson.
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combine this massive F**K up of creating a QB controversy with the most efficient QB in the SEC with, Tennessee '05, UGA'05, UK '07, Arkansas '07, Arkansas '08, Penn St. '09, Tennessee '10, Ole Miss '09, Florida '10 (luckiest bounce in the history of football stood between a win and Miles being a goat).
Every game Miles' either made MASSIVE explainable blunders or he simply got outcoached up and down the field.
I do not think Miles is a bad coach. I think he is top 15 for sure, but these people who think he is top 3 are a joke.
Name 10 coaches better than Miles, hell name even 5, and I guarantee I can go back over there carries and find massive mistakes and coaching blunders they made. For example, Saban this year in the first game and blowing a 21 point lead to Auburn last year. You're way too biased.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 4:34 pm to legohairedman
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Tennessee '05, UGA'05
these 2 deserve a pass in my book. at the very least UGA does
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UK '07, Arkansas '07,
i'll give you those 2. he lost to an underdog. who hasn't?
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Penn St. '09, Tennessee '10,
not on Miles IMO
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Ole Miss '09
ok
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Florida '10 (luckiest bounce in the history of football stood between a win and Miles being a goat).
we won
so basically 4 games in 7 years. the horror
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 1/20/12 at 4:36 pm to EarthwormJim
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You should go back and watch that first Alabama then. The option worked for more than just 1 play in overtime. And why doesn't JJ get credit for the scoring drive before half?
I watched the first bama game 4 times and still have it on DVR. JJ ran the option quite poorly even in the first game. There were multiple plays where the pitch man almost tackled Ford, but Ford was just too quick. That should never happen where the pitch man has a play on the back. We got lucky that Bama hadnt prepped for the option,t hey werent ready for even a poorly run option game. Surprise was the biggest factor not JJ's skill set. Bama was very prepared for the option and JJ;s playing style in game 2 and we had 92 f**king yards. Miles ven said in the postgame there were WRs down field but we dint get it to them. and he was right, but he didnt do anything about it.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 4:40 pm to legohairedman
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Posted by legohairedman
Wait. I think I got it now. According to some LSU fans Miles should never have lost one game in his entire LSU career. Because he has, he's simply an idiot. Easy peezy.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 4:43 pm to geauxjo
there were a bunch more games where we got beat by better teams....thats why i didnt include them....you dont see any tebow losses on there or a few Bama losses.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 4:49 pm to legohairedman
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there were a bunch more games where we got beat by better teams....thats why i didnt include them....you dont see any tebow losses on there or a few Bama losses.
Show me one coach that doesn't have bad losses and coaching mistakes.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 4:49 pm to legohairedman
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Message Posted by legohairedman there were a bunch more games where we got beat by better teams....thats why i didnt include them....you dont see any tebow losses on there or a few Bama losses.
So basically a handful of games in 7 years. And other good coaches don't make mistakes in a handful of games? Really. His record speaks for itself. Avg 11 wins a season in the real meat of the Lee/ JJ controversy. How many other coaches could have done that? The list is minuscule.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 4:53 pm to legohairedman
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Tennessee '05, UGA'05, UK '07, Arkansas '07, Arkansas '08, Penn St. '09, Tennessee '10, Ole Miss '09, Florida '10 (luckiest bounce in the history of football stood between a win and Miles being a goat).
Every game Miles' either made MASSIVE explainable blunders or he simply got outcoached up and down the field.
Please, go through, game by game, and describe the "MASSIVE blunders" you speak of in each of these contests.
And no, "We were up 21-0 and they came back and won against UT" is not specific enough. I'd like to know specifically what Miles did in each game to be described as a "MASSIVE blunder" attributed directly to him.
And for the record, I've attacked idiots who bash Saban in the same baseless way when they mindlessly say "AH he lost to UAB and ULM".
Thanks in advance.
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 1/20/12 at 5:01 pm to Choctaw
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so basically 4 games in 7 years. the horror
Really we won the Tennessee game, so they're complaining about a win. Tennessee's formation was illegal - it was irrelevant what happened with the snap.
Just as the "Magnolia Meltdown" - yes it was a loss, but we shouldn't have been in a position to win it, anyway - we miracled our way to ~4 but had no time or timeouts left. Ordering a spike (which Miles certainly appeared to have done) was dumb, but the game was, effectively over when we didn't score or get out of bounds on the previous play. Should we have had another play called? Sure. But what do you call? We didn't know where we would be or anything if the previous play didn't work.
I'm not defending him, because we shouldn't have lost the game.
However, we definitely won the Tennessee game, a lot more deserving fashion than the Bluegrass Miracle, IMO.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 5:15 pm to legohairedman
quote:Every game, eh?
Every game Miles' either made MASSIVE explainable blunders or he simply got outcoached up and down the field.
This right here proves you have a clear agenda against Miles.
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