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Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:04 pm to TIGRLEE
quote:Crowton and Stud meet all criteria for "shitty".
We DO NOT have shitty coaches.
Crowton started in '07, right?
Watch this:
Offensive ranks
06 (Jimbo's last year): 11
06 Rushing: 31
06 Passing: 18
07 Total Offense: 26
07 Rushing: 11
07 Passing: 58
08 Total offense: 55
08 Rushing: 43
08 Passing: 71
09 Total Offense: 108
09 Rushing: 84
09 Passing: 99
Notice a trend anywhere? Like I said before, sometimes you have to blame the carpenter, not the tools.
Only one stat improved at any point that Crowton/Stud have been here. It then quickly corrected itself, and fell in line with the rest of the trend.
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:05 pm to PRIDGENTIGER
quote:
how is he not playing to flynn's level?
They've both played about the same # of games so far. Flynn was drafted, beat out a much higher drafted QB from Louisville, and is a solid #2 NFL QB. With the same # of games under his belt, JJ is nowhere near draft ready. It's not that the doesn't have the physical tools, but he's nowhere near Flynn mentally. But it's unfair to compare them at this point because Matt was older, etc. Since you stupidly insist on comparing the two, I doubt many NFL teams would agree with your assessment.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:06 pm to Roaad
quote:
Crowton and Stud meet all criteria for "shitty".
Crowton started in '07, right?
Watch this:
Offensive ranks
06 (Jimbo's last year): 11
06 Rushing: 31
06 Passing: 18
07 Total Offense: 26
07 Rushing: 11
07 Passing: 58
08 Total offense: 55
08 Rushing: 43
08 Passing: 71
09 Total Offense: 108
09 Rushing: 84
09 Passing: 99
Notice a trend anywhere? Like I said before, sometimes you have to blame the carpenter, not the tools.
Boom!
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:06 pm to Roaad
who were the tools in 06 and 07 compared to 08 and 09?
Goes hand in hand dude.
YOu cant have it both ways.
Goes hand in hand dude.
YOu cant have it both ways.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:08 pm to TIGRLEE
Crowton has the same history everywhere he has coached.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:08 pm to TIGRLEE
This is a football forum. I dont give a shot about grammar on here. I'm on my cell too so don't really care about it. I can tell you don't knoqw about football. You came on here spewong bullshite. Now had you come on here saying jj showed a lack of pocket awareness and indecision i would have agreed with you but you were talking about going throught reads when you have no idea and no way to prove if he is going through his reads. Fwiw most qbs who dont go throught their read throw lots of ints. But if you knew football you'd know that
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:09 pm to TIGRLEE
quote:The point is there is a steady decrease every year that Stud and Crowton have been here. Hem and Haw all you want. The numbers don't lie my friend.
who were the tools in 06 and 07 compared to 08 and 09?
Goes hand in hand dude.
YOu cant have it both ways.
The carpenter is at fault, not the tools. If we had Jimbo, our offense would be playing at a much higher level
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:12 pm to Stevo
ur stupid if you think a 6'4 guy with a strong arm and the ability to run won't get drafted. He put up flynn numbers. Flynn went in the 7 round so don't act like he went high. And beating out brohm says more about brohm than flyn. Do you really not remember flyn hitting the bed
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:18 pm to PRIDGENTIGER
look gotta go. Jj is better than flynn. Deal with it. He was our only offense and led us to a 9 and 3 ranking. Just think if we had a running game. Any way, tigerlee, love ya bruh.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:21 pm to PRIDGENTIGER
quote:
PRIDGENTIGER
just stop.
Im not going to get in a pissing match with you of who knows more about football.
All I can tell you is that Im qualified
Srry if it opinion conflicts with yours.
quote:
you have no idea and no way to prove if he is going through his reads
Have you ever been watching a football game and noticed when a qb goes back to pass, he looks one way where one ot two recivers happen to be and either throws it away or takes a sack??... when all the while a back slips outa backfield or slot reciever on the other side of the formation doesnt get looked at and is runnng his route waving his hands, or better after the play is over looks and acts pissed off b/c the qb faild to even look his way.
Thats usally a pretty good sing the qb didnt go through his reads.
But since you know so much about football and I dont, I should feel bad for telling you something that you already knew.... or let me guess you "forgot it"?
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:24 pm to TIGRLEE
quote:
All I can tell you is that Im qualified
There are 241 posts here that prove otherwise.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:27 pm to Roaad
quote:
The carpenter is at fault, not the tools. If we had Jimbo, our offense would be playing at a much higher level
with this logic Its safe to say if we had JR in 08 and 09 we would be a much higher level.
Correct?
You gotta work with the tools you have.
Some tools are sharper than others, thats the point.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:32 pm to PRIDGENTIGER
quote:Actually you are wrong here. It speaks of the coaches.
He put up flynn numbers. Flynn went in the 7 round so don't act like he went high. And beating out brohm says more about brohm than flyn.
JR put up ridonkulous numbers here, then couldn't perform worth a damn in the NFL. Why? He was well coached here.
Flynn put up mediocre numbers here for a 5th year senior, yet becomes a pretty good second option in the NFL who has played well when called upon. Why? He was poorly coached here.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:35 pm to TIGRLEE
quote:See my last post.
with this logic Its safe to say if we had JR in 08 and 09 we would be a much higher level.
Correct?
I think if we had JR (in his RSJR year)the last 2 seasons, we probably get 1 more win each season, maybe. This would be despite coaching.
If we had JR in his RSFR year the last 2 seasons, I think we do worse or the same. JR showed flashes in 04 (Cap One), but played amazingly terrible as well (UF).
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:46 pm to Roaad
Good players make coaches look better than they are.
When the lack of superior talent is available that's when coaches earn their money.
Bottom line is you play the hand you are dealt.
In our case the last couple yrs, RP is gone and we had to depend on two guys that had to play before they were supposed to.
For the most part 3 things make a good qb.
Experience, talent, smart.
The lack thereof of any one and it usally spells struggle.
When the lack of superior talent is available that's when coaches earn their money.
Bottom line is you play the hand you are dealt.
In our case the last couple yrs, RP is gone and we had to depend on two guys that had to play before they were supposed to.
For the most part 3 things make a good qb.
Experience, talent, smart.
The lack thereof of any one and it usally spells struggle.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:47 pm to TIGRLEE
quote:
that's when coaches earn their money.
LSU is owed a refund.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 8:55 pm to TIGRLEE
quote:Bad coaches make good players look bad. Or do you think K-Dub and Scott are shitty runningbacks? I think LSU's talent has bailed out Crowton numerous times.
Good players make coaches look better than they are.
Here's a test for you, son.
Check offensive stats for Crowton at Oregon and BYU. When you do this answer this question: What happens from year one to year two to year three.
quote:Agreed. What does that tell you about this season, when we were obviously more talented than every team on our schedule with the exception of UF.
When the lack of superior talent is available that's when coaches earn their money.
quote:RP would be struggling as well. Check those stats at Gary's other jobs, brah.
Bottom line is you play the hand you are dealt.
In our case the last couple yrs, RP is gone and we had to depend on two guys that had to play before they were supposed to.
quote:All Jefferson lacks is experience.
Experience, talent, smart.
JR wasn't very smart, and he dominated his RSJR year.
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 10:20 pm to Roaad
Advocatus diaboli:
Oh you mean like the one where he got hurt when Nico Johnson was in his face in one second flat if that(in a game where the O line probably put together there best outing)
Oh this freshman, Nico Johnson who plays LB for Bama? He wasn't even probably going to play if Donta Hightower had not gone down with a season ending injury.
LINK
LINK
conjecture = presumptive evidence!
As JJ goes, so goes LSU. JJ is our starter until he graduates.
live it.
learn it.
love it.
Roaad, are you Les? Just saying! Plenty of things can happen between now and tomorrow. Is the weather man 100% accurate? Do you believe everything that you read in black and white or any color combination? How about the news? Is all of that crap truly 100% accurate? You don't own this bog, you know! (a quote from an old deceased friend.)
quote:
If JJ were a senior this year
You would have an argument.
It is all just opinions and most of us are arse-holes; it is just a fact that many people's egos won't let them admit this fact to themselves.
quote:
also if jj can't throw the long ball then how the hell did rr catch that perfectly thrown deep ball against ole miss.
most LSU fans who watched the games this year would overwhelmingly conclude that JJ really struggled with the deep ball this year.
I agree with stevo on this point!
PRIDGENTIGER
So did matt flynn suck?
Why are you saying this with so much anger? Who said those words about JJ? Maybe in a moment of anger, but hold it against him personally, NO.
quote: idiot. I've forgot more football than you'll ever know. You came on here spewing bull shite about our qb and got owned. C ya bitch
man alive! (roflmao)
drizztiger
quote:
Having playcalling requiring him to take 7 step drops with 4 WR's running 30 yard routes didn't help his sack total in the least. Your playcalling should assist your personnel. Crowton did the same crap last year with JL calling 5 yard outs when JL locked onto receivers presnap - hence the numbers of INTs. Idiot playcalling towards your players weaknesses instead of strengths.
Excellent point!
Roaad
quote:
Notice a trend anywhere? Like I said before, sometimes you have to blame the carpenter, not the tools. (roflmao)
Only one stat improved at any point that Crowton/Stud have been here. It then quickly corrected itself, and fell in line with the rest of the trend.
Now, these stateemts make sense to me!
PRIDGENTIGER
look gotta go. Jj is better than flynn.
One difference and and JJ can't do these two things (so this is just a couple of kudos for MF) he could hold for FG, EP and he could flip a ball over his shoulder for a kicker to score on a trick play. As good an athlete as JJ is, he can't do that!
quote:
You gotta work with the tools you have.
Some tools are sharper than others, thats the point.
depends on who sharpened those tools TIGERLEE (in all caps?)
drizztiger
quote:
that's when coaches earn their money.
LSU is owed a refund.
(I have to agree with that!)
Question: Is Roaad, JJ's father and is PRIDGENTIGER his momma?
"Gotta be related, huh?"
The last time I watched a game and I'm watching one now and it is a Team game. Thus, the most responsible person first is the Boss of the Boss who is the boss of the bosses on this squad. The squad should all be team players putting one another in the position to win every game. We came close but all parts didn't function properly too often for LSU to play like Bama played the season out.
BTW, why isn't Kirby Smart on the market for a H.C. job somewheres?
Caeci caecos ducentes, carpe diem.
Oh you mean like the one where he got hurt when Nico Johnson was in his face in one second flat if that(in a game where the O line probably put together there best outing)
Oh this freshman, Nico Johnson who plays LB for Bama? He wasn't even probably going to play if Donta Hightower had not gone down with a season ending injury.
LINK
LINK
conjecture = presumptive evidence!
As JJ goes, so goes LSU. JJ is our starter until he graduates.
live it.
learn it.
love it.
Roaad, are you Les? Just saying! Plenty of things can happen between now and tomorrow. Is the weather man 100% accurate? Do you believe everything that you read in black and white or any color combination? How about the news? Is all of that crap truly 100% accurate? You don't own this bog, you know! (a quote from an old deceased friend.)
quote:
If JJ were a senior this year
You would have an argument.
It is all just opinions and most of us are arse-holes; it is just a fact that many people's egos won't let them admit this fact to themselves.
quote:
also if jj can't throw the long ball then how the hell did rr catch that perfectly thrown deep ball against ole miss.
most LSU fans who watched the games this year would overwhelmingly conclude that JJ really struggled with the deep ball this year.
I agree with stevo on this point!
PRIDGENTIGER
So did matt flynn suck?
Why are you saying this with so much anger? Who said those words about JJ? Maybe in a moment of anger, but hold it against him personally, NO.
quote: idiot. I've forgot more football than you'll ever know. You came on here spewing bull shite about our qb and got owned. C ya bitch
man alive! (roflmao)
drizztiger
quote:
Having playcalling requiring him to take 7 step drops with 4 WR's running 30 yard routes didn't help his sack total in the least. Your playcalling should assist your personnel. Crowton did the same crap last year with JL calling 5 yard outs when JL locked onto receivers presnap - hence the numbers of INTs. Idiot playcalling towards your players weaknesses instead of strengths.
Excellent point!
Roaad
quote:
Notice a trend anywhere? Like I said before, sometimes you have to blame the carpenter, not the tools. (roflmao)
Only one stat improved at any point that Crowton/Stud have been here. It then quickly corrected itself, and fell in line with the rest of the trend.
Now, these stateemts make sense to me!
PRIDGENTIGER
look gotta go. Jj is better than flynn.
One difference and and JJ can't do these two things (so this is just a couple of kudos for MF) he could hold for FG, EP and he could flip a ball over his shoulder for a kicker to score on a trick play. As good an athlete as JJ is, he can't do that!
quote:
You gotta work with the tools you have.
Some tools are sharper than others, thats the point.
depends on who sharpened those tools TIGERLEE (in all caps?)
drizztiger
quote:
that's when coaches earn their money.
LSU is owed a refund.
(I have to agree with that!)
Question: Is Roaad, JJ's father and is PRIDGENTIGER his momma?
"Gotta be related, huh?"
The last time I watched a game and I'm watching one now and it is a Team game. Thus, the most responsible person first is the Boss of the Boss who is the boss of the bosses on this squad. The squad should all be team players putting one another in the position to win every game. We came close but all parts didn't function properly too often for LSU to play like Bama played the season out.
BTW, why isn't Kirby Smart on the market for a H.C. job somewheres?
Caeci caecos ducentes, carpe diem.
Posted on 12/15/09 at 1:26 am to jesterJ
quote:you really need to learn to use the "quote" button. That shite was too painful to read.
jesterJ
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