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re: stupid base running
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:13 pm to STEVED00
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:13 pm to STEVED00
I realize that, but its still something a coach has to do.
No, he shouldnt have to remind him, but good base coaches relay the situation to the base runners at every level. That's one of their jobs, as basic as it sounds.
not on every pitch, but yeah, its something you do mention as a base coach.
No, he shouldnt have to remind him, but good base coaches relay the situation to the base runners at every level. That's one of their jobs, as basic as it sounds.
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I guess Sanchez needs to remind him to freeze on a line drive after every pitch as well
not on every pitch, but yeah, its something you do mention as a base coach.
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Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:15 pm to Lester Earl
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but good base coaches relay the situation to the base runners at every level. That's one of their jobs, as basic as it sounds.
wow...just wow. There is no way that the third base coach is relaying to the guy on second that he needs to stay put if the ball is hit in front of him. Are you kidding?
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:16 pm to HOUbengal
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You dont make the 1st or 3rd outs at 3rd. Why do you make a point about it being the 2nd out?
making any out at 3rd is bad.
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And if you think it was horrible for the fastest man in college baseball to try to take third with 1 out while a right handed batter is up...then you really are a lost cause.
like i said, you have to be 100% sure you make it in that situation. He got a horrible jump and was thrown out, and what made it even worse was the guy on 1st wasnt able to advance to 2nd.
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:16 pm to HOUbengal
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HOUbengal
I agree. I don't think the JM steal was that bad with 1 out. So many more ways he can score from third with one out(Sac Fly, groundout, passed ball) then second (basically you need a hit to score).
It just looked worse after just having another runner thrown out. I do think that the MM play was poor judgment on MM's part. Thats something you learn very very early on as a baseball player, so being a "freshman" is NO excuse.
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:17 pm to HOUbengal
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There is no way that the third base coach is relaying to the guy on second that he needs to stay put if the ball is hit in front of him. Are you kidding?
Am I kidding??
you dont get to many baseball games I guess.....
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:18 pm to STEVED00
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It just looked worse after just having another runner thrown out. I do think that the MM play was poor judgment on MM's part. Thats something you learn very very early on as a baseball player, so being a "freshman" is NO excuse.
that's all true. MM made a freshman mistake not staying with a grounder hit in front of him. Now the overall aggressive attitude of PM might have made him try for third...but to think the 3rd base coach had absolutely anything to do with that is absurd.
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:18 pm to Lester Earl
quote:And you've been to how many LSU games this year? I think you said 3, right?
you dont get to many baseball games I guess.....
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:18 pm to Lester Earl
Yes..i guess you are kidding.
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:19 pm to Lester Earl
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not on every pitch, but yeah, its something you do mention as a base coach.
Most do but its more instincts on the player's part if he actually freezes or not. A 3rd base coach reminding a player on how to react on a split second instinct play is very overrated IMO. Its not like when the ball is hit MM is thinking about everything Sanchez just said. He is letting what he has learned over the past 10+ yrs of playing baseball influence his decisions.
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:20 pm to Lester Earl
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like i said, you have to be 100% sure you make it in that situation.
If every decision in baseball was 100% sure...then well...what an easy job being a baseball coach would be...
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:22 pm to STEVED00
he's a FR playing in the biggest game of his life. He has looked overwhelmed before.
not every player is a great base runner and plays the situations out in their heads.
You can tell Mahtook is an all out player...very reactionary....
Like i said, Sanchez could have even mentioned it, who knows? Mahtook maybe just didnt think
But he also couldnt have. He's 26, coaching 3rd base for the first time in his life and only has a job at LSU because he played for PM, and has made numerous stupid base coaching blunders all season.
he should be demoted, IMO. Get Paul back out there.
not every player is a great base runner and plays the situations out in their heads.
You can tell Mahtook is an all out player...very reactionary....
Like i said, Sanchez could have even mentioned it, who knows? Mahtook maybe just didnt think
But he also couldnt have. He's 26, coaching 3rd base for the first time in his life and only has a job at LSU because he played for PM, and has made numerous stupid base coaching blunders all season.
he should be demoted, IMO. Get Paul back out there.
This post was edited on 6/6/09 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:25 pm to HOUbengal
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MM made a freshman mistake not staying with a grounder hit in front of him
I hate the "freshman" excuse in this situation. MM has probably encountered this EXACT SAME situation hundreds of times throughout his baseball career. He was just trying to make something by being aggressive on the bases. I was actually surprised that he almost (actually did but..) pulled it off.
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:25 pm to Lester Earl
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You can tell Mahtook is an all out player...very reactionary....
I think that explains the situation best. MM is a very aggressive player and his instincts overrode (dont think its a word) his brain...
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:27 pm to Lester Earl
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Like i said, Sanchez could have even mentioned it, who knows? Mahtook maybe just didnt think
How do you know he didn't mention it???
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But he also couldnt have. He's 26, coaching 3rd base for the first time in his life and only has a job at LSU because he played for PM, and has made numerous stupid base coaching blunders all season.
I agree he has made lots of poor decisions in the past, but I just don't think you can peg these two on him. These were NOT his fault.
This post was edited on 6/6/09 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:29 pm to STEVED00
People didnt like PM coaching 3rd either....
Maybe that's why Javi is the 3rd base coach...cause he reflects the head coach...
Maybe that's why Javi is the 3rd base coach...cause he reflects the head coach...
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:32 pm to STEVED00
the steal prob wasnt, cause i think JMitch went on his own
and even if u dont want to blame him for the Mahtook play, there were still 2 other horrible coaching decisions in the game, which is too many.
I understand the being aggressive...thats fine, but the line between aggressive and stupid is pretty clear cut.
on one hand, being aggressive as a base runner and it paying off can be a huge momentum swing for your team, but on the other hand it can be a huge momentum swing for the other team as well when you keep running a team out of an inning.
shite at this point, EVERY run is important, and he just didnt coach like that today.
the 1st base coach, on the other hand, had a very nice game sending those guys on the close doubles. Those are situations where you can gamble on being aggressive, esp because all the balls were going away from the OF's.
and even if u dont want to blame him for the Mahtook play, there were still 2 other horrible coaching decisions in the game, which is too many.
I understand the being aggressive...thats fine, but the line between aggressive and stupid is pretty clear cut.
on one hand, being aggressive as a base runner and it paying off can be a huge momentum swing for your team, but on the other hand it can be a huge momentum swing for the other team as well when you keep running a team out of an inning.
shite at this point, EVERY run is important, and he just didnt coach like that today.
the 1st base coach, on the other hand, had a very nice game sending those guys on the close doubles. Those are situations where you can gamble on being aggressive, esp because all the balls were going away from the OF's.
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:34 pm to STEVED00
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How do you know he didn't mention it???
Like I said, I dont. But he has made so many stupid decisions this year and its his first year coaching 3rd base, and he is freaking 26 years old...I'll give Mahtook the benefit of the doubt just because of his track record(or lack thereof)
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:37 pm to HOUbengal
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cause he reflects the head coach.
I've always been of the mindset that Baseball head coaches get way too much credit when teams succeed and way too much blame when teams do bad.
The most important function of a college head baseball coach is evaluating talent (knowing who is actually good and who just looks good) and making sure that talent actually makes it to college (Smoke's big problem).
Baseball strategy is pretty cut in dry (reasearch hitters/pitchers and determine their tendencies, when to sacrifice, when to go to the pen, etc..) and most kids really learn how to play baseball at a young age, so basically all coaches in college do is "tweak" things.
Its not like Maineri is formulating a strategy to stop Tim Tebow or something...
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:39 pm to STEVED00
quote:Then you need to change your mindset. I'm referring to college baseball, not the paid whores in the major league.
I've always been of the mindset that Baseball head coaches get way too much credit when teams succeed
Posted on 6/6/09 at 9:40 pm to Fastball
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stupid base running
this is getting out of hand. we should have had at least 2 more runs.
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