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re: Stop comparing this to 2004 Troy. 2 big differences
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:20 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:20 am to Lester Earl
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75%???
i don't think we did anything until about 2 min were left in the 3rd
i just say 75% to mean the first 3 quarters, but a more accurate number is 71.6667% of the game
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:20 am to acgeaux129
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people act like LSU lost more than it did. i believe we lose more next year
I think without a doubt we will be WAY better next year.
one thing with miles that i do like is i dont have to worry bout the oline.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:20 am to SmackDaniels
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At anypoint in LSU's career, it should NEVER be a close game with a Sunbelt team.
for the vast majority of last night, it wasn't close
the sunbelt team was dominating LSU
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:21 am to dreaux
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I think without a doubt we will be WAY better next year.
we lose a lot from this team without even counting juniors
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one thing with miles that i do like is i dont have to worry bout the oline.
if we lose ciron black, we will all worry
f jarvis jones
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:22 am to SlowFlowPro
Thank you for taking down that Avatar.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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1. 2004 LSU, as a program, was not established like 2008 LSU is. Saban was still building a program and it didn't have the depth to deal with losing 3 key juniors and a bunch of seniors. 2008 does have that depth
2. 2008 Troy DOMINATED LSU FOR 75% OF THE GAME. 2004 Troy kept it close in a sloppy game where we turned it over. at no point did 2008 get dominated by 2004 Troy.
considering your orginal argument.
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so you'd take 2004 LSU over 2008 LSU in a talent competition?
which would you take?
i don't want you to miss this without giving an answer.
your so sure the 08 team was more talented yet its the team that got dominated...why would you so easily choose that squad over 04. Troy sucks this year and they dont' have demarcus ware like '04.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
alright sfp. the coaching was not great, def could use improvment. That what you want to hear??
you saw how good they can be. But how do you get a team up after losing a heartbreaker to the number one team in OT, have no title what so ever to play for, freezing thier arse off in a empty stadium.
But yeah the defense could use better coaching.
you saw how good they can be. But how do you get a team up after losing a heartbreaker to the number one team in OT, have no title what so ever to play for, freezing thier arse off in a empty stadium.
But yeah the defense could use better coaching.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:23 am to cene
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why would you so easily choose that squad over 04.
the only position 2004 had a talent advantage was CB
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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QB: even
no, 2004 had an advantage because Randall didn't make as many costly errors, and Russell was very limited in what they allowed him to do, so he didn't even make that many mistakes. he was just raw.
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WR: 2008
We had Bowe, Davis, and Doucet. Much more talented than these guys we have. Lafell is the only one this year who has been somewhat consistent evey game. Plus Skyler Green, and Addai was a good pass catcher out of the backfield.
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RB: 2008
debatable. Addai won us a couple games singlehandedly (ie Florida) and Scott was a no show against them this year.
This post was edited on 11/16/08 at 11:27 am
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:24 am to SlowFlowPro
2004 vs 2008 starters
QB
Marcus Randall
Jarrett Lee
RB
Joseph Addai
Charles Scott
FB
Kevin Steltz
Quinn Johnson
WR
Dwayne Bowe
Brandon Lafell
WR
Craig Davis
D Byrd
TE
David Jones
Richard Dickson
OT
Andrew Whitworth
Ciron Black
OG
Rudy Niswanger
Herman Johnson
C
Ben Wilkerson
Brett Helms
OG
Terrell Mcgill
Lyle Hitt
OT
Dyakowski ?
Barksdale
DE
Marcus Spears
Tyson Jackson
DT
Cladue Wroten
RJF
DT
Kyle Williams
Charles Alexander
DE
? Sean Merrill
Kirston Pittman
LB
Cameron Vaughn
Perry Riley
LB
Lionel Turner
Darry Beckwith
LB
?EJ Kuale
Kelvin Sheppard
CB
Corey Webster
Chris Hawkins
CB
Travis Daniels
Jai Eugene
SS
?Jesse Daniels
Harry Coleman
FS
Laron Landry
Curtis Taylor
Did the best I could as far as the 2004 starters. Anyway, those saying the talent this year is so far superior to the 2004 team should compare them first.
QB
Marcus Randall
Jarrett Lee
RB
Joseph Addai
Charles Scott
FB
Kevin Steltz
Quinn Johnson
WR
Dwayne Bowe
Brandon Lafell
WR
Craig Davis
D Byrd
TE
David Jones
Richard Dickson
OT
Andrew Whitworth
Ciron Black
OG
Rudy Niswanger
Herman Johnson
C
Ben Wilkerson
Brett Helms
OG
Terrell Mcgill
Lyle Hitt
OT
Dyakowski ?
Barksdale
DE
Marcus Spears
Tyson Jackson
DT
Cladue Wroten
RJF
DT
Kyle Williams
Charles Alexander
DE
? Sean Merrill
Kirston Pittman
LB
Cameron Vaughn
Perry Riley
LB
Lionel Turner
Darry Beckwith
LB
?EJ Kuale
Kelvin Sheppard
CB
Corey Webster
Chris Hawkins
CB
Travis Daniels
Jai Eugene
SS
?Jesse Daniels
Harry Coleman
FS
Laron Landry
Curtis Taylor
Did the best I could as far as the 2004 starters. Anyway, those saying the talent this year is so far superior to the 2004 team should compare them first.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:25 am to dreaux
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the coaching was not great, def could use improvment. That what you want to hear??
no
i want dumbass tepper tigers like bayourant to stop comparing the 2 games. other than our opponent having the same name, the games were completely different. 2004 Troy is like 2008 AU or 2008 MSU, not 2008 Troy
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:25 am to MadCat
2004 is better all over the field
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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the only position 2004 had a talent advantage was CB
Laron Landry and Jessie Daniels sucked
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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if we lose ciron black, we will all worry
I was at the spring game this year..and I thought the 2nd Oline played better against our first defense better than the 1st Oline did against the 2nd defense. Ya..only spring game...but our Oline will always be pretty good under Miles...just like the defensive backs were always pretty good under Saban.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:27 am to acgeaux129
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We had Bowe, Davis, and Doucet. Much more talented than these guys we have.
RS Jr LAfell, Sr, Byrd, Jr dickson, and So tolliver > So Bowe/Davis and Fs Doucet
it ain't close
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and Scott was a no show against them this year.
not his fault we make it obvious when we run and make it easy to stop him
and let's not forget keiland and murphy, who were not used last night for some reason
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:27 am to TigerBait1127
didn't we have Marcus Spears at DE in 04
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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the only position 2004 had a talent advantage was CB
way to find the one thing in my statement you actually want to answer and miss the actual question.
you just said 08 was more talented all around and you seem to pick them in a talent competition, but your original arguement is talking about an 04 team that played a much more talented troy team and a 08 team that just got dominated for 75 % of the game.
am i reading your responses wrong?
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:28 am to TigerBait1127
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Laron Landry and Jessie Daniels sucked
they had the same problems our safeties do this year: coverage. and i gave 2004 the edge in DB
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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RS Jr LAfell, Sr, Byrd, Jr dickson, and So tolliver > So Bowe/Davis and Fs Doucet
omg do ya really believe that. bowe/davis/doucet is the best wr tandem in lsu history.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 11:30 am to TigerBait1127
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didn't we have Marcus Spears at DE in 04
yes
and marcus spears may be the most overrated player in modern LSU history
if TJ could get used like spears was, he'd put up better #s. TJ is also better in coverage than spears was
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