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re: Stop comparing this to 2004 Troy. 2 big differences

Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:39 am to
Posted by tigerskin
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:39 am to
Here we go with most talented team in country foolishness. Florida and USC have much more talent
Posted by cene
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:39 am to
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we were dominated in 2008. big difference


you said it yourself many of times, this defense has been dominated by mediocre offenses all year...why was this game any different?

Lsu's offense played down to its opponent and its defense did play down slightly more then it normally does.

considering the year this team has had, i fail to see any big difference.
Posted by Jason9782003
Member since Aug 2007
3723 posts
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:39 am to
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2004 LSU, as a program, was not established like 2008 LSU is.


2003 National Championship???

The ignorance on the board never fails to entertain me
Posted by EmperorGout
I hate all of you.
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:39 am to
The fun thing about arguing over entirely subjective definitions is that no one can ever tell you conclusively that you're wrong
Posted by bayourant
Homer
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:40 am to
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we were dominated in 2008. big difference


We were domind in the first half and then we dominated in the Second

BIg difference
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:40 am to
this thread isn't meant to blow saban, he could have recruited better and had 2004 in a better position, but the fact remains that 2004 is not close to as talented as this 2008 team.

anybody who'd take the 2004 LSU tigers over the 2008 tigers based on pure talent is just lying to themselves

2004 was handled exactly once (UGA). 2008 has been handled 2.75 times). and 2004 LSU had the AU game, which is comparable (but better) than the 2008 Bama game. 2004 LSU > 2008 LSU, and there realy isn't an excuse for that, but the seasons aren't fully comparable
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:41 am to
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2003 National Championship???

The ignorance on the board never fails to entertain me

dude, we lost 3 juniors and a bunch of seniors and it hurt b/c we didn't have the depth that we do now

hell we didn't even lose any juniors after last year. that's b/c we're DEEP

2004 = rebuilding year
2008 = not a rebuilding year
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:42 am to
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We were domind in the first half and then we dominated in the Second

we were dominated for 3 quarters. 75% of the game
Posted by WampusCat56
piney woods
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:42 am to
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2008 does have that depth

Please list the QB depth chart for us -

thanx in advance
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:43 am to
You usually make some decent points - not one of your best efforts here.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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465338 posts
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:45 am to
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Please list the QB depth chart for us -

QB is 1 of 22 positions on the field, not counting special teams

and we had to rely on a RS Frosh a good bit in 2004
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:45 am to
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not one of your best efforts here.

oh so you'd take 2004 LSU over 2008 LSU in a talent competition?
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
44755 posts
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:45 am to
Our linebackers aren't even average and when we start Favorite and Alexander at DL, the DL is mediocre at best.
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
30065 posts
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:46 am to
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we were dominated in 2008. big difference


We did win the game and had a 30 point quarter. I wish I could have watched the game to know what happened better myself, but no matter what we weren't dominated.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465338 posts
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:46 am to
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Our linebackers aren't even average

they weren't good in 2004 either

LSU rarely has good LBs. we had average LBs in 2003 and 2007

quote:

and when we start Favorite and Alexander at DL, the DL is mediocre at best.

we still have RJF, who would have been the best DL in 2004, and ton of great DEs
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:47 am to
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but no matter what we weren't dominated.

dude the yardage at half was like 250 to 60 or something

the first down count, i believe, was 13 to 1
Posted by MegaTiger
Member since Dec 2003
2224 posts
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:48 am to
QB is not the issue right now. The offense has been able to put up plenty of points when it has to.
There is no reason LSU should have been in that position last night. Coaches aren't doing enough to prepare the team or don't know what they're doing.
Posted by Ice Cold
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:48 am to
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SlowFlowPro
You can nitpick the talent on the two teams (this team also has lots of holes/inexperience at key spots), but your basic premise, that Saban was still building in 2004, is pretty weak.
Posted by kclsufan
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:49 am to
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QB is the most critical position on the field

Fixed.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465338 posts
Posted on 11/16/08 at 10:49 am to
our sometimes bad, sometimes good offense wouldn't be as big of a deal if our D could stop troy last night

the only thing that stopped troy was dropped passes, the occasional pick, and non-calls by refs
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