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re: Sorry guys, It's NOT the Players
Posted on 11/1/08 at 9:36 am to Paul_LSU_passion
Posted on 11/1/08 at 9:36 am to Paul_LSU_passion
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n't you think that these two guys (Mallory and Peveto) pretty much accepted the responsibility knowing themselves that they didn't have the experience and that things might go sour because of this?
I think that they knew that it would be a very hard job for one of them to tackle alone...They prob figured that with the two of them they could help each other work out the problems...and who knows these guys are learning just like the players and they could stumble upon something and get this thing turned around....
I would prefer that we go out and find someone who has been through the learning curve already...
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Posted on 11/1/08 at 9:38 am to Paul_LSU_passion
I think this statement says it all for what Miles is prepared to do at the end of the season. This came from his radio show according to DD.
There is no turmoil, Miles is not going to disrupt the team at mid season. Look how much that helped Tubby. If the problem still exist, don't expect it to remain the same. If the problem goes away, then it was because of the youth on the team.
Do you think Miles is going to flat out say if the CoDCs don't improve they're fired? Gimme a break!
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Miles once again spoke about the youth on defense and said the team was going through a learning stage. Miles said he is very happy with his co-defensive coordinators and was not planning on making any changes unless the problem was not corrected this season.
There is no turmoil, Miles is not going to disrupt the team at mid season. Look how much that helped Tubby. If the problem still exist, don't expect it to remain the same. If the problem goes away, then it was because of the youth on the team.
Do you think Miles is going to flat out say if the CoDCs don't improve they're fired? Gimme a break!
Posted on 11/1/08 at 9:45 am to randyb
I hope that I'm a retard and completely off-base and overly reacting, and that the problem fixes itself as the players improve. I really do hope that's the problem.
But, to me, that is completely unlikely. Again, maybe I'm wrong.
I think most of us fear the Tepper thing. I don't expect Miles to do anything today. But I do hope that he does something the day after the bowl game.
But, to me, that is completely unlikely. Again, maybe I'm wrong.
I think most of us fear the Tepper thing. I don't expect Miles to do anything today. But I do hope that he does something the day after the bowl game.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 9:46 am to randyb
Guys, in my eyes, it's WAY more Mallory's inability to develop this secondary than it is the system. Do you people honestly think this secondary would work even in another system?
Posted on 11/1/08 at 9:51 am to Mudminnow
I wish I could remember where I read it, but before the season began and player interviews and quotes were being put out, Jai Eugene was talking about how it was his turn to start and be a leader, etc. He also talked about how, in his previous two years of redshirt and redshirt freshman, he had not worked as hard in practice or paid as much attention as he should have, since he didn't figure to get on the field very much.
I'm NOT ragging on Jai! But if this attitude was prevalent among the younger players, it would indicate a complacency to just "go along for the ride" and not take the responsibility of building for the future seriously. This is not an uncommon attitude for young people to have.
If he, and others, did indeed not take the time and make the effort and establish a good work ethic while waitng in the wings for "their time", then what we're seeing is typical OJT.
Coaches and team leaders can see this and preach about it all they want but in the end, it's up to the players to motivate themselves to get the job done.
I'm NOT ragging on Jai! But if this attitude was prevalent among the younger players, it would indicate a complacency to just "go along for the ride" and not take the responsibility of building for the future seriously. This is not an uncommon attitude for young people to have.
If he, and others, did indeed not take the time and make the effort and establish a good work ethic while waitng in the wings for "their time", then what we're seeing is typical OJT.
Coaches and team leaders can see this and preach about it all they want but in the end, it's up to the players to motivate themselves to get the job done.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 9:54 am to AlaTiger
even if you can put blame on the players, this brings up 2 more points
1. the coordinators haven't created a scheme for our defenders. they've refused to change things
2. miles recruited bad players and/or retards who can't learn a defensive system
so while people want to protect miles' but buddies, they fail to realize what this may say directly about miles
1. the coordinators haven't created a scheme for our defenders. they've refused to change things
2. miles recruited bad players and/or retards who can't learn a defensive system
so while people want to protect miles' but buddies, they fail to realize what this may say directly about miles
Posted on 11/1/08 at 9:55 am to tigerbait2010
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Do you people honestly think this secondary would work even in another system?
I think that with the size and speed of some of our safties, that if we could punish the QB's more on blitz that they would think twice about checking off that extra reciver...i just like to see alot of blitz and i know that we have more problems than blitzing... i remember the days that our Defense was feared.... If you pop a QB or a WR in the mouth at the begining of the game it will be on his mind for the rest of the game....
Posted on 11/1/08 at 9:59 am to randyb
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Miles once again spoke about the youth on defense and said the team was going through a learning stage.
so we'll never have a good defense again? ok
Posted on 11/1/08 at 10:04 am to SlowFlowPro
Slow down Slowflowpro, let your brain catch up to your arse and read the whole quote in context. Not just the excerpt that you can use.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 10:08 am to randyb
if people say we're young this year, we're REALLY young next year
Posted on 11/1/08 at 10:10 am to tigerzeye
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The only thing that was supposed by to good was our DL. Many thought the LBs and DBs would be a question mark this year.
By game 8 all questions should be answered and a scheme and personnel plan that suits the talent you have should be in place. Coaching period.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 10:10 am to Aktig
the one position that nobody can argue the talent/experience angle (DL) on has been the worst position on the team
Posted on 11/1/08 at 10:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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the one position that nobody can argue the talent/experience angle (DL) on has been the worst position on the team
I agree to some extent..would have tought we would have more penitration ! seems like we are playing alot of contain....figured KP TJ and RJF would have been money for the best defensive line in the nation at this point in the season....guess that why i dont make the big bucks !
Posted on 11/1/08 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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the one position that nobody can argue the talent/experience angle (DL) on has been the worst position on the team
I'm not too big on flaming players, but I think it's best that Pittman and Alexander finally graduate. these guys are like two old men lining up against Terrence cody; they get HURT EVERY SINGLE PLAY.
I think we should sit Alexander and Francois out just to get them 100% for Bama.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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if people say we're young this year, we're REALLY young next year
Why this simple truth cannot be realized is beyond me. Particularly the O line and D line will be hard hit, no Byrd either. Figure a couple of Jr's will declare.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 10:22 am to AlaTiger
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I'm sorry, but I'm not buying the "It's the players being out of position" thing. Whose job is it to get them into position? Coaches.
Are we really supposed to believe that the players have been missing assignments and have not had gap discipline all year and the coaches have been trying to correct it?
I promise you the coaches are working hard at practice to put the guys in the right postions. But, once the lights come on, its the players jobs to into the right position. A lot of it is about discipline. Those mental breakdowns on the field are probably not the coaches faults. As I said before, they practice the shite all week, the coaches are developing a solid gameplan, the players have to be held accountable for being out of position.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 10:24 am to Cornholio
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. Those mental breakdowns on the field are probably not the coaches faults.
Two thirds of the way thru the season? Look at the product and re-evaluate again.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 10:32 am to Aktig
Read my whole post. Once the lights come on, the coaches can't do it for them. They practiced the shite all week and the players are expected to get it right. It is a lack of discipline. Maybe you can blame the coaches for the discipline problems.
Posted on 11/1/08 at 10:35 am to Cornholio
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Once the lights come on, the coaches can't do it for them.
many of the plays that have really hurt LSU were battles won by the offense pre-snap
UGA killed LSU pre-snap. pretty much only the 1 long moreno TD was bad execution, but the scheme essentially takes our DL out of the game, and that was really noticeable on that play. they were BLOWN up
Posted on 11/1/08 at 10:38 am to Cornholio
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Once the lights come on, the coaches can't do it for them. They practiced the shite all week and the players are expected to get it right. It is a lack of discipline. Maybe you can blame the coaches for the discipline problems.
It's not just discipline. Plays coming in late, personnel issues, total confusion. When you get this far in the season and STILL have the same problems, you have a serious coaching issue. If your players can't run your scheme, you change the damn scheme regardless.
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