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re: Some LSU profs don't support athletics

Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:29 pm to
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:29 pm to
i had no idea that education was valued so low amongst the posters here. i am presuming that many are students. i love LSU, i love louisiana, and i love football but it is pathetic that so many devalue college degrees. it is no wonder that ignorance abounds in louisiana. valueing education is not a political issue. anyone that values education is not a communist, socialist or a "liberal". sports is entertainment. sure, LSU football is good for the Baton Rouge community. it provides jobs in the hotel and restaraunt business and others. of course, most of those jobs are damn near minimum wage. LSU degrees prepare people to earn significant more. unfortunatly, many (way too many) LSU degree holders HAVE TO LEAVE THE STATE to get meaningful long term employment (like me). its a shame and it drains the state of a lot of the resouces that could be used to improve the value of life in la. this brain drain is a documented fact. sadly, very sadly, it appears it will never change. it is quite depressing to someone that loves the state.
Posted by Chicot
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Aug 2007
1279 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:32 pm to
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valueing education is not a political issue



I don't think anyone ever said that valuing education is a political issue, only that funding it is.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:33 pm to
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sorry couldn't type laughing so hard thinking of Alexandria as a metro area



Dude, they've got a traffic loop (roundaboot). A sure sign of civilization.
Posted by geaux from largo
Largo, Florida
Member since Oct 2006
2684 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:33 pm to
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they give us really hard test on the Mondays after big games
Posted by msbargas
Ponte vedra beach FL
Member since Sep 2009
727 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:34 pm to
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Football is a whole lot more important and will bring the university a lot more money than whatever meaningless research the prof is doing.
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signed,

ignorance is better; i mean look how i turned out?


That's funny
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:34 pm to
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anyone that values education is not a communist, socialist or a "liberal".


To be fair,I value education, and I'm a communist.

But I can't tell you more than that, I'd be discussing politics which the Great Chicken has Forbade me from Doing (in His Infinite Wisdom, of course).

Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:36 pm to
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good to see there are still a few piople around at least thinking about the future and progress fo the university and state. Somehow the "progress"="loberal" which has been trashed into a derogatory term by "conservative" media only to be ran up the flagpole by sheep who don't bother to think it through that "consevative" media is ALSO part of the MST...just the part that they tend to agree with.


TigerWoody, truer words have not been spoken. Ideaology (sp) gets in the way of progress big
time. people make things a political issue when they are not. those damn "liberals" sure ruined austin, tx. all of those educated know it alls just ruined that town.
Posted by Chicot
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Aug 2007
1279 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:36 pm to
Yeah, but the people there don't know how to use it...they just keep going around in circles.

You know what is scary...people move out of Alexandria to go to Pineville.

That's some scary sh!t. Happy Halloween!
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:38 pm to
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Yeah, but the people there don't know how to use it...they just keep going around in circles.

Its true. Its an all too familiar story in Alec when you've got to go rescue your poor grandma from the traffic circle.

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people move out of Alexandria to go to Pineville.



I was once at a bar in Flagstaff AZ talking to this forest ranger guy. We didn't talk politics but I didn't get the feeling he was an extreme conservative by any means. He said he might get an opportunity to get stationed in Pineville and asked about the place. Normally I'm not one to discourage people from moving into our state .... but I could not tell a lie.


Posted by msbargas
Ponte vedra beach FL
Member since Sep 2009
727 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:38 pm to
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I don't think anyone ever said that valuing education is a political issue, only that funding it is.


Now we're really getting off the issue at hand.

Are you against any form of public education?
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:40 pm to
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Are you against any form of public education?



You'll have to go to the poli board for those kind of extremist views. Since I'm not allowed to talk politics, that is all I can tell you.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60520 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:42 pm to
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1.You said that BTR population was declining and that it has a winning football team.(LSU)


yes I did.

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2. You also stated that "Other University cities" with bad teams were increasing in population etc...


I said that if football was a barometer for economic health, how do you explain the success of other university cities with bad teams so you really missed the point. You make it sound as if I said the driving point was the football team.

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There is NO University cities in LA with a growing population.
No I did not say that, Lafayette is growing. And that was just the ONE I looked up. WTF are you even talking about.

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So these people must be LEAVING BTR and going to cities out of state.


Well they are leaving, but in regard to the ones leaving BTR specifically I have no idea where they are headed.

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You tried to draw a coralation between the the pop.drop of BRT with a winning team and other Univ Cities with poor teams and pop. increase


No, I drew no such correlation (spelling not coralation). I specifically pointed out that there was possibly NO coralation in a winning football team and economic growth. (the debate was about the economic engine of LSU football)

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My hypothesis is that you are such a giant a-hole, you are making people even in BTR leave the state. See the logic now?


I see what you THINK is logic, but seeing as how it is not based in any sort of reality, well I can only think gave you too much credit with being 11.
Posted by Chicot
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Aug 2007
1279 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:43 pm to
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Are you against any form of public education?


Not at all. I wish we could fund it much better than we do. It is just unreasonable to think that if people should stop spending money to attend athletic events, that our academic programs will somehow, someway move us to an "elite" university.
Posted by Mike Linebacker
Texas
Member since Sep 2009
3404 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:45 pm to
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WRONG!!!! This couldn't be more wrong. It is actually the other way around....athletics department gives millions to the academic side every year!!!


You are correct. What is worse is that I was trying to make this point and wrote it backwards! Talk about "FAIL". My bad. I'll edit the post.
Posted by Rekamyah
Ovadalevee
Member since Jun 2008
1866 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:45 pm to
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so in the course of my work, I meet and entertain faculty at LSU

Let me guess, from remembering my experieces as an LSU student, there is a good chance you need an interpreter for these meetings, right?
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60520 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:50 pm to
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Sort of like Pineville would be considered the Alexandria metro....sorry couldn't type laughing so hard thinking of Alexandria as a metro area


Hell with Pineville, by your nine parish definition, we could damn near take in Nathitoches AND real gems like Opelousas.(no offense to the citizens of Opelousas, Alexandrians cant take the high road to anyone)
Posted by PunchDrunk
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
152 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:54 pm to
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There is a fatal flaw in your argument. LSU contributes money from academics to athletics. To the extent the professors (or you) believe that LSU is not providing enough resources to academic programs, that has nothing to do with the football program. Indeed, the situation would be worse without the success of the football program.

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There are plenty of people who care about the school, Baton Rouge and the state. Why is it so terrible that these people also have an escape in the form of LSU football? You only get one life and it's pretty short.


Money to academics does not then flow to athletics, its the other way around, though the actual amount is relatively small. However, I agree that a vibrant athletic program is good for the school. Also, I didnt mean to imply that no one cares about the academic/research side. Mostly it was a response to the earlier posts in this thread that were attacking professor.

What I am saying (and maybe the professor is saying) is that its frustrating when the academic/research budget is being cut while the athletic budget just continues to increase. I am happy for the football team, but there is a slight disconnect there. It is even more frustrating when people in this thread say "that is how it should be, screw the professors."

Posted by Mike Linebacker
Texas
Member since Sep 2009
3404 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:56 pm to
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i had no idea that education was valued so low amongst the posters here.


I don't think the posters do. They are just LSU football fans who enjoy watching football, understand that the football program makes a lot of money that benefits the academic programs and don't like it when they hear about a professor complaining about the support for the football program.

There are some (including in this thread) that take the view that while the football program does generate some money for academics, if the money that donors spend on football were actually directly donated to the academic programs, that would be more beneficial to the school. But even taking that result at face value, that is a pipe dream. There is no way football booster says, "you know, I'm going to forego the TAF donation and season ticket purchase this year and all the money I spend on concessions, souvenirs and the like and instead give that to the biology department." It's just not ever going to happen. And so bemoaning the fact that it doesn't happen seems silly. It's why academia has the bad rep for engaging in ivory tower thought that doesn't work in the real world.

Instead, be glad that our program costs several million dollars per year less to operate than the revenues it generates and that excess profit gets funneled into the programs that weren't otherwise going to get that money.

I think that's the right way to look at this. At least it's my opinion.
Posted by PunchDrunk
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
152 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 3:59 pm to
I agree that its a pipe dream.......
Posted by MontanaTiger
Montana
Member since Oct 2008
3930 posts
Posted on 10/30/09 at 4:02 pm to
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The OP never mentioned politics


Come on man. The guy is a professor who doesn't like sports, and is whining about why football gets so much attention. All the while he's collecting a big fat salary provided by the taxpayers for teaching and researching God knows what. He's a liberal.

I graduated from LSU in 1977.
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