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Softball Super Regional comments, outlook

Posted on 5/29/18 at 8:59 pm
Posted by Bhs1983
Member since Feb 2018
391 posts
Posted on 5/29/18 at 8:59 pm
Very little commentary has been made about the Super Regional between LSU and Florida State. I am sure Florida State fans think the better team won, and what matters most is who walks away the winner. Florida State won. I personally thought LSU was a better team. I am going to post a list of coaching blunders during the Super Regionals, which spans across all eight supers. (Posted on another forum by various members)

1.  Rocha/Walton pitching to Vidales in top of 7

2.  Torina bunting Doyle

3.  Murphy not starting AO in Game 2.  I know she had a lot of pitches the night before, but this is your last chance and there is no reason to save her.  Give her the ball.  She is full of grit.  It was the only shot your team had.

4.  Torina pitching to Warren 

5.  Kentucky coach having to bring in Humes in Game 1 because of sub error.  

6.  Opposing coaches not going crazy when Klaevemann and Mack stepped out of the box in every at-bat (nearly).

7.  Jo Evans putting Harington back in the 7th inning of Game 3 

Comments under this post suggested several other mistakes....

--Tennessee pulling Moss out toward the end of game 2, and ending up watching Arnold give up a homer to the Emanuel kid.

--putting Haff in (Arkansas) to bat at a crucial point in their second game with Oklahoma, only Haff's second at bat of the season.

--Georgia bunting DiCarlo with runners on first and second base, no outs. Georgia ended up with nothing that inning.

--Condrea not pulling McQuillin after she gave up three quick runs against UCLA in first inning of Game 1.

I'd personally thought leaving Carly Hoover in and not putting in Allie or Gorsuch, I thought that hurt them, Carly did her job but was out of gas by the time the 7th inning came around. She looked exhausted.

What I think everyone agrees on is the inconsistency in the plate umpire's strike zone, game 2 nd 3. A case can be made that he called the same inconsistent way for both sides. Florida State was working our pitchers, maybe better than we were working theirs, I dont know. Allie looked like she was burning up in game three, and I think part of the reason was she was not getting strikes called. Some umpires do not call drop balls as they should. I could see the frustration on Allie's face.

Bunting Doyle, I think, was a terrible mistake. We have FEW girls on the team that can bunt consistently, and, from what we have seen, Springfield and Sunseri can both bunt very well. Sometimes, you have to pinch-hit in order to get a sacrifice bunt in. Antoine cannot bunt, I dont trust her trying. I am sure it is not easy, but the coach should call time and throw a pinch hitter up there who can bunt. Those pop-up bunts are killer, and Andrews ran to second base without evening looking to see where the ball went. Maybe a miscommunication.


Hat tip to the four seniors. Great job, all four of them. Emily ended up playing four years and making only a handful of errors, ending her career with a .307 batting average. Definitely an asset for the team.

Our two pitchers were both All American and among the best in the country each year in ERA. Loupe was the team mule who worked tirelessly with our pitchers and, given her chance to shine in the SEC tournament, she made the most of it.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 9:02 pm
Posted by Bhs1983
Member since Feb 2018
391 posts
Posted on 5/29/18 at 9:00 pm to
As for next year, there were two things that many are concerned about.

First, with Hoover and Walljasper gone, will our pitching be among the worst in the SEC?

Absolutely not. In the series with Florida, that question was answered. We didn't have two good pitchers on the team, we had FOUR. To see two freshman hold Florida down the way they did, I think we will be not just alright, but have the best pitching crew in the SEC. Florida will have Barnhill, but Ocasio is gone. In Georgia, they have lost Gray, their ace. Kentucky lost Rethlake. Auburn has lost Carlson and Bilodeau just transferred to Fla State. Tennessee will return Moss, and Arnold, but they are middle of the road.

We will be ok with pitching, and Beth is as good a pitching coach as anybody else... she did a great job with Carly, Allie, Maribeth, and Shelby. Next year, Wickersham will play for us, and though she may end up #3, I have confidence in Beth's ability to develop her and the other freshman coming in.

The other question, not yet answered is, will next year's lineup look exactly the same, the only difference being Griggs will not be there?

I hope, if Schulte returns to the starting lineup, that she has a totally new batting approach. She has power, if she can get her hitting straight, she will be an asset to the team for next year.

Beth now finds herself in a tough spot. Weinberger, Thornhill, Springfield, and Sunseri, if put in the right position, are good enough to start. Many complained about Beth alternating Antoine and Weinberger, and for some reason, Antoine got the nod. I think part of the reason is because Weinberger is probably the best and smartest base-runner on the team, and that is the role she plays. Sad, because she is a rock solid outfielder. Her OBP was good.

Thornhill has to start her senior year. Pinch-hitting is not going to show you how good someone can hit. If you really want to know, let her play four or five games in a row, four at-bats per game. She is a smart kid.

Then we got Bourg coming back, and she is a natural ball player, versatile, can bunt really well. I am sure she is expecting to either play centerfield or second base.

One thing I hope Beth does move away from is playing the same lineup every single game. Florida and Tennessee move their players around. UCLA's coach sat her team down at the beginning of the year and warned them their role they play may change from week-to-week, and they all understood it.

We cannot PENCIL-IN anybody. Any promises made to the players has to be conditional....HIT, or sit. I dont care how good you play in the field..

They say we have some good recruits coming in.... we will have to wait and see. Their numbers they put up in high school are meaningless. When we see them play, how they approach batting, how they field and how they throw, their mechanics, that will give us an idea of how well they will do.
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
33497 posts
Posted on 5/29/18 at 10:18 pm to
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2.  Torina bunting Doyle


I don't think this was a bad decision. I know Doyle is the leading RBI hitter on the team, but she was also a double-play thread and IF she gets the bunt down, then Sanchez and Schlattman, both of whom had been driving in runs with big hits, have a chance to win the game.

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4.  Torina pitching to Warren 


Possibly the worst in-game coaching decision she has ever made, and I am not exaggerating. You DON'T let the best player on the other team beat you when you can avoid it. I get trusting your senior pitcher and I get that Allie struck her out the first time, but Warren had already hit 2 homers and driven in like 7 runs in the series. What more proof do you need that you shouldn't pitch to her? I bet Torina lost more sleep over this than anything else that went wrong on Saturday, including leaving Hoover in too long.
Posted by Bhs1983
Member since Feb 2018
391 posts
Posted on 5/29/18 at 10:28 pm to
If there was a runner on first and second, Id be concerned about the double play with Doyle at bat. If just a runner on first, you have to take your chances with your best batter swinging away. Just my opinion.
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
33497 posts
Posted on 5/29/18 at 10:42 pm to
quote:

We cannot PENCIL-IN anybody. Any promises made to the players has to be conditional....HIT, or sit. I dont care how good you play in the field..



The unquestioned givens are Andrews, Antoine, Sunseri and Doyle. There should be no doubt about these 4. But here is what I think will also happen:

Sanchez is going to play. She played an above-average 3rd base and I think her batting average doesn't tell the story of how good a hitter she was this year. She seems to be one of the best at working counts and it seems to me like she hit a LOT of loud outs this year and she had a ton of clutch hits. She isn't going anywhere, nor do I think she should.

Serrett is going to play. She makes plays at shortstop that most in the league can't make. She also isn't going anywhere....whether anyone thinks she should or not. But she has got to figure out where her hitting stroke went. We have seen her do it. Even if she hits .275, that's fine. Just get above .220.

Thornhill is going to play. From what I heard from several places, she was absolutely on a tear before Hoover broke her arm with a pitch in a pre-season scrimmage. Once she came back, she never really had a chance to get into the lineup because Antoine had won right field. I think she will be a big contributor.

Bourg is going to play. I don't think they brought her back to sit and watch her senior year. She can play 2nd or outfield, so unless she has a terrible pre-season, I think she fits somewhere.

So, where does that leave Schlattman, Springfield, Schulte, Goff, Weinberger, and Caccamise?

I honestly don't follow recruiting at all...but from what I have picked up on, apparently we have signed a good defensive catcher. Schlattman showed that she can be a torrid power hitter when she gets hot, and I honestly think she got a lot better defensively as the season wore on and she learned the position more...but is she an SEC-caliber catcher?

I think Weinberger is still going to be the pinch-runner and occasional outfielder. I have never thought she would be a starter, even though some of the resident know-it-alls kept clamoring for her to get more AB.

I would hope to God that Schulte isn't guaranteed a spot anywhere. I also thought she was an above average defender, but it seemed like her errors were very glaring (the ball through the legs at Tennessee and the dropped throw at 1st vs. ULL in the game we lost come immediately to mind). I sincerely hope that kid can put her offensive misery behind her and have a good fall and spring and be ready to compete for playing time.

From what little we saw of Caccamise, I don't really see her fitting into the future plans here.

As for Goff and Springfield...who knows. Springfield has shown flashes, but not consistently enough. Her injury didn't help, of course.

It is 2018 and we live in the age of college free-agency. Who is going to transfer? It is almost a given. I have zero knowledge on the inside, but if you told me someone was going to transfer, I would think it would be from the trio of Springfield, Caccamise, or Goff. Just my 2 cents.
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
33497 posts
Posted on 5/29/18 at 10:48 pm to
quote:

If there was a runner on first and second, Id be concerned about the double play with Doyle at bat. If just a runner on first, you have to take your chances with your best batter swinging away. Just my opinion.


And I get that too. It is certainly a decision that can be analyzed and I think you can come up with valid arguments both ways. I had no problem with Doyle bunting the winning run to 2nd...but I also would have understood if she had been swinging away.

Pitching to Warren was an egregious mistake that I don't think has an adequate defense. I don't see any argument that could be made for pitching to her there. The only other thing that I could think of was that maybe Torina was afraid of the kid hitting behind Warren because she is the one that homered in the 11th inning of the first game....but I would even counter that by saying that the homer came against a kid who had thrown 200 pitches and I think that was the only hit she had the whole series.

Torina must not have heard me screaming "don't pitch to her!" at the TV when Warren came up...
Posted by Bhs1983
Member since Feb 2018
391 posts
Posted on 5/29/18 at 11:01 pm to
Good post!

The reason I like the way Ralph in Tennessee coaches is because he changes with each situation and does not tie himself down with one set lineup. He uses as many players as he thinks he has to.

Andrews is a plus for the team, an asset, but she is a lot like Elantra Cox, getting on base is her thing, but if she comes up with two outs and a runner on second base, the type of hits she gets is not going to move runners two bases. I think Andrews should start, and lead off, but I don't think it would be risky to pull her in the 5th inning or so and put someone else out there.

I think Weinberger should see a lot more playing time than she has so far. Goff definitely has potential at the plate, and I'd give her time at second base.

LSU has been very fortunate not to have had any serious injuries to their position players. If Serret were to get hurt, or Schulte, we have NOBODY who has played more than 5 innings the entire year at second base other than Schulte, and I don't think anyone has played shortstop in the last three years except for Serret.

It's gonna bite us in the butt one day.

Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 11:40 pm to
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This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 8:55 am
Posted by jgriffith
Paradise Valley, Arizona
Member since Sep 2005
5338 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 12:17 am to
Will LSU be a better hitting team next season?
Posted by Bhs1983
Member since Feb 2018
391 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 1:03 am to
It depends on who will be told to change what they do. Serret has great potential. If she doesnt change then she suill probably not be above .300 mext year.

Schulte has to try something different than what she has been doing. She has power.

The only way to gauge a hitters ability is play time for a few games. Pinch hitting wont tell you anything.

Depends on what Howard wants changed.
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
Geismar
Member since Dec 2009
5176 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 9:03 am to
Before 1 you need:
Running off a .347 hitter that was from BR and would have been the difference in this series.
Posted by Bhs1983
Member since Feb 2018
391 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 9:19 am to
I am not an insider and do not know anyone who is, but do you think she would have started if she was still on the team this year? I think she'd have been a baserunner. She was wise to move on.
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
Geismar
Member since Dec 2009
5176 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:13 am to
She started every game for Baylor (top 20 team like LSU) and hit .347.
LINK

See if you can find LSU starters that hit less than that.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67941 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 10:16 am to
If no one can beat our Schulte next season, there is a major red flag.

Playing a true freshman isn’t always bad. It’s been a spark for us these last two years. Let a kid who has a lot of talent get experience and develop. Worked for Andrews, Doyle, Antoine, and Sunseri. Hope we keep that in mind next year with some of the new faces
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 10:22 am
Posted by Bhs83
Member since Mar 2016
548 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 12:00 pm to
Y'all are sold on a player that hit .254?

I think Antoine, like Griggs, needs to move away from slapping. Her batting approach, the whole thing, from start to finish, in swing away form, is really good. The bat flattens in the zone early enough to where timing isnt super-critical as it is with the dipper swingers on the team....But still, I think Weinberger is a natural outfielder, and has better mechanics than Antoine does. If Beth starts Antoine, I do hope to see Weinberger get at least 40 at bats next season.

Thornhill has to play. Having her not start would be one of the biggest wastes of talent since Beth came in.

Sunseri presents another dilemma. She is definitely a three-hole hitter, and she needs to start.

Goff, if she sticks around, needs to see playing time. If you are a batting coach and watch her bat, she has a patient eye for the ball, a short, compact swing that gets the barrel of the bat into the strike zone early enough. To me, of all the hitters, Antoine and Goff probably have the best swing for hitting for average. Thornhill has a great swing too, so long as she dont drop the back shoulder and dip.

I wouldnt worry about the incoming freshmen. If one shines enough to start, and is better than the upperclassman in front of her, let her start. That's how it is supposed to be. If not, let them run bases like Weinberger has been doing.

As for Schulte, I believe she is as good a kid as everyone says she is, and if that is true, and she is not performing, and is pulled, I think she'd not only accept it, she'd agree with it.

Let's hope LSU shifts from a defense oriented lineup to an offense-oriented lineup. Weinberger ended up with the best OBP, but only had 33 at bats.

Put your best hitters out there and make good defenders of them through practice. DONT put your best defensive players out there if they cant hit,,,and usually, if the player doesnt hit, its a lot harder to make them good hitters than to make good hitters play defense better.









Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
10947 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 12:10 pm to
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As for next year,
That's the new LSU Athletics and LSU MA fan "Battle Cry."


"Accept the Meds, make excuses and wait till next Year."

Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67941 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 12:52 pm to
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Y'all are sold on a player that hit .254?


I literally do not understand the knock on Antoine.

She was a consistent .270-.290 hitter for most the year as a true freshman

If you factor out her 50 million bunt pop ups for outs, I'm sure it would be higher

Antoine was 3rd on the team in SEC play BA, .

Not saying she doesn't have stuff to work on but she definitely was one of the positives this past season

If she fixes the pitch selection she is golden, that and swing away only, I am sure she will be a .280-.310 hitter next year who produces a good chunk of doubles and steals bases.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 1:03 pm
Posted by Bhs83
Member since Mar 2016
548 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 1:39 pm to
I am not so much against her starting as I am that she is starting, always, playing every game, every out, to the exclusion of Weinberger who is a far more natural outfielder.

I felt the same about Griggs, Serret, Sanchez and the whole bunch...give the other players a chance to play. Springfield should get playing time. Everybody knows with an A-to-Z remake of her batting approach she'd be a terror that the SEC has not seen.

I am saying that there is not one of them that is too good to let the others play, especially those who have stats that show they get on base when given a chance.

Just about every team has a senior, or two, or three, that does not start, and that is fine, but you cannot treat the position players like the pitching staff.... if a pitcher is doing good, leave her in... on the position player side, if you have an underclassmen sitting the bench that can play, sit the starter when you can and put the underclassmen in.

Hate to go back to Nicky D, but she was a better hitter than just about everybody on that team, and she played sparingly.... i dont know what was behind all that, but NO coach should show undying loyalty to the starting nine players.

You lose people that way.

Tim Walton and Ralph Weekly do musical chairs with their lineup, and nobody is owed anything...you perform,, or sit.

I'd like to see the non-starters get more time on the field...nothing against Antoine, and I do think she is going to go over .320 next year, but we got some good, hard-working kids sitting the bench that deserve some playing time.
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 1:43 pm
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67941 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:07 pm to
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Tim Walton and Ralph Weekly do musical chairs with their lineup, and nobody is owed anything...you perform,, or sit.



+1, also OU, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon all do it as well

The only way you will develop and get better is through experience, you won't through pinch hitting every blue moon

I am a big Torina fan but the one thing I strongly disagree with is that we leave certain kids in thinking it will eventually click. Some have had over 200-300 at bats with minimal improvements or are stagnant. For me it doesn't make much sense. I am not saying the kids don't work hard but sometimes there doesn't seem to be a sense of urgency. Sitting a kid for two or three games will light a fire under their asses. Its good competition.

Sunseri needs to bat next to Doyle next year. I do think both will provide protection for one another and it'll help each other out. Doyle and Sunseri both need to be in that 3 and 4 holes. Andrews lead off as usual.

I still stand by that Clark will be a major contributor if she plays early. I've watched her play with Sunseri for years with the Texas Bombers vs good competition and she really is the real deal as a hitter. The question is, if she does provide a major spark, how do you fit her in a lineup with Sunseri as well? We need to put the best hitters in the lineup and try to make it work defensively. It doesn't work the other way around.

Would Torina bench Schulte or Schlattman? Torina prefers kids with experience but I don't mind taking lumps to develop the young kids who have a far higher ceiling.

These last two recruiting classes (freshman and sophomore classes) have been really good for us, hopefully the one coming in can adapt and provide the same spark. There is no question some kids are ridiculously talented and are capable of being big names, its just hard to predict how kids respond to this new level of play


The 2018 recruiting class is extremely deep!!
This post was edited on 5/30/18 at 2:10 pm
Posted by CL8100
Bayou
Member since Jan 2012
948 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 2:41 pm to
Lsu did not want it that game, but may want it the next year coach of lsu didnt want the win either, the second game lsu had one their top pitchers in softball pitching 200 plus pitches in that game, she was worn out you could tell.
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