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re: So When does LSU Play a Complete Game? (Passing Game Stats Inside)

Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:17 pm to
Posted by dsides
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:17 pm to
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quote: but our schedule does not allow for only LF7 running going forward. What yes it does. The only team that will shut down our run game is Bama. We ran it down the throats of UF and Ole Miss last year. Neither of those teams have come close to facing an oline as big and athletic as ours. We have the best run blocking oline in cfb.


really, how can you argue that a balanced offense will not improve our ability to compete going into the teeth of the sec schedule? are you arguing for the sake of arguing?
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:19 pm to
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of the 3 phases of the passing game, he's the least of the concerns


Fair enough, and this thread has been relatively rational so I can appreciate that, but my post are more directed at the overall opinion on the rant lately.

The silver lining to me is that we are not lacking in talent, which could not be said in some of the last few years. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I refuse to believe our entire WR corps of 4 and 5 start guys are going to have drop issues for the rest of the season.

Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I almost find it refreshing that we've been so lackluster and still managed to win the last few games. If we make a few corrections and improve our efficiency, we'll be scary.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:20 pm to
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Since 2008, only mett could pass with any consistency




FACT... And until we find a QB like this... LSU'S passing game will suffer... Nothing against Harris... The play calling is horrible and the Staff does not trust Harris to open up the playbook............
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:21 pm to
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really, how can you argue that a balanced offense will not improve our ability to compete going into the teeth of the sec schedule?


It's not that difficult.
We currently run the ball on 73.5% of offensive snaps.
We average 7.2 yards per carry rushing.
We average 6.2 yards per attempt passing.

Posted by Festus
With Skillet
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:23 pm to
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but none of the other games were worthy of being happy. they were bad opponents and we did what we were supposed to do against vastly inferior opponents (at least in terms of W/L)

See, it's when you go this far that you lose me. Not giving them credit for beating MSU, who is not a bad or vastly inferior opponent, reveals (at least to me) that you truly are simply biased against LSU and Miles, and cannot provide any unbiased opinions. If you would tone it down and give credit where credit is due, I think people might take you more seriously on here.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:23 pm to
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I would honestly have to see more of Syracuse before calling them a cupcake.

well they were on a walk on 5th string QB when we played them. bama would be fricked if that happened against us
Posted by LACountyTiger
Los Angeles County
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:24 pm to
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It's not that difficult.
We currently run the ball on 73.5% of offensive snaps.
We average 7.2 yards per carry rushing.
We average 6.2 yards per attempt passing


You do realize that if our passing game was better we might even average more yards per rushing attempt.

Also your thought process fails to address what happens when we play a defense that holds LF to really good game rather than a spectacular game.

I've post before, if a team holds LF to 150 and 1 or 2 TDs, we will have a very difficult time winning.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89427 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:24 pm to
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what if that passing extends drives


Like I've said before, we don't need more than 3-4 more passing plays per game, if that, to be successful. The execution needs to be better. I think we agree here, but most on this godforsaken website just worry about the passing yards per game and nothing else.

I couldn't care less what our overall passing yards are, I just want to know that we can complete a pass when everyone knows we're passing, and we've shown the ability to do that at times this year. I just want some consistency.
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:28 pm to
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i've posted at length about how miles has sapped my fandom and emotional ties about CFB. i'm not miserable, i'm more numb

Doubtful, given your OP, but if you aren't even going to enjoy the wins, why continue paying attention at all?
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:29 pm to
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Also your thought process fails to address what happens when we play a defense that holds LF to really good game rather than a spectacular game.


1) The flaw in your logic is assuming that such a team exists. We don't know that it does. We assume that Alabama can hold him in check based on what happened with Nick Chubb ... others are also assuming to a lesser degree that Florida and Ole Miss are capable of doing this.

2) Should such a team exist, which will remain in doubt until said team has proven themselves capable of doing this, we will either adjust and adapt, or fail. Most (myself included), believe that should this happen, we will fail and we will lose.

However, as posted earlier in this thread, if we our receivers can fix the drops, our completion percentage goes up, our yardage goes up, and we instill faith in the coaching staff to continue to call those plays.

Nothing is predetermined.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:30 pm to
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This myth that our qbs suck even year just isn't true. Our qb play was only truly horrible ij 2014.

whoa whoa whoa

efficiency is ok but when you're celebrating a 17 TD season as good then you need to step on the brakes. solid? maybe. good? meh

being a low-volume, efficiency passing game only is good if you are dominant otherwise. so if we had the 2011 D or fournette? yes. otherwise? no

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Bama has had one since AJ

bama won a title with 2 different QBs and then last year simms had as good of a season at QB as mett in 2013

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Florida hasn't had one since Tebow

they won a title with 2 different QBs (and have found a QB desert after)

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Uga benched qbs yesterday

yeah b/c Bama stopped their similar rushing attack. hsitorically they have produced QB after QB with minimal lean years

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A&M hasnt had one since JM

kyle allen is better than anything we've thrown out since jimbo's QBs left, except 1.5 years of mett
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:33 pm to
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Not giving them credit for beating MSU, who is not a bad or vastly inferior opponent, reveals (at least to me) that you truly are simply biased against LSU and Miles

that's not true. i explained this last week

there are elite opponents (top 5-7), solid opponents (top 30 or so), and then the rest. MSU is in "the rest" for me

i lump them all together, and that's to HELP teams like LSU in most years
Posted by LACountyTiger
Los Angeles County
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:34 pm to
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1) The flaw in your logic is assuming that such a team exists. We don't know that it does


Do really think is is reasonable to assume that LF will get 215+ yards and 3 TDs in EVERY game.

If he does, great, but I look at things a little more realistically.

I'd rather feel confident that the passing game can come through on the off chance that LF doesn't have a spectacular gone one night. And we have seen nothing to indicate that it can.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:34 pm to
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but if you aren't even going to enjoy the wins, why continue paying attention at all?

i'll enjoy wins against UF, Bama, Ole Miss, TAMU, etc
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47404 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:35 pm to
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kyle allen is better than anything we've thrown out since jimbo's QBs left, except 1.5 years of mett


The same kyle allen that had worse stats than JJ did in 2009? You do realize you can look this stuff up right?
Posted by LACountyTiger
Los Angeles County
Member since Nov 2013
1338 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:36 pm to
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Most (myself included), believe that should this happen, we will fail and we will lose.



Ok that is EXACTLY what I , sfp and others have been saying!!!
And the fault for that is all on Les.


I don't understand why you are arguing.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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450736 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:37 pm to
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The flaw in your logic is assuming that such a team exists. We don't know that it does. We assume that Alabama can hold him in check based on what happened with Nick Chubb ... others are also assuming to a lesser degree that Florida and Ole Miss are capable of doing this.

bama last week certainly raised the stakes

but also i mean running games get shut down and LSU historically throws out a stinker or 2 against shite opponents. that does happen

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2) Should such a team exist, which will remain in doubt until said team has proven themselves capable of doing this, we will either adjust and adapt, or fail. Most (myself included), believe that should this happen, we will fail and we will lose.

that's where i am at, based on our history under miles

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However, as posted earlier in this thread, if we our receivers can fix the drops, our completion percentage goes up, our yardage goes up, and we instill faith in the coaching staff to continue to call those plays.

our OL needs work too, but yes, it is possible

we've played a good chunk of the year and it still looks bad, though. with every game we don't display competency, we come closer to running out of time
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47404 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:37 pm to
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i'll enjoy wins against UF, Bama, Ole Miss, TAMU, etc


bullshite. You were bitching last year when we beat 3 of those 4 teams.
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 1:38 pm
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6128 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:38 pm to
you are clueless. different teams going forward. if you think past performance against those teams is a prediction of future results, I can't help you. you are a lost cause.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
450736 posts
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:39 pm to
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The same kyle allen that had worse stats than JJ did in 2009?


89/139 for 1274 (9.2 ypa), 13/2 and a 169.0 rating?

that's as a true soph, like JJ in 2009
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