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re: So When does LSU Play a Complete Game? (Passing Game Stats Inside)
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he fact that we had to abandon the pass against EMU is scary.
This will be the reason we won't be able to run out the clock in the 4th quarter of tight games because EVERYONE knows that if the game is on the line, Les won't pass the ball. Stick 9 guys in the box, and attack Fournette. Let one corner play the one wideout that we will have in the game at that point and have the other 10 players outnumbering the offense at the point of attack. I don't care how good your offensive line is, they can't block 9 guys.
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Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:44 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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This is the same Florida team last almost lost to East Carolina and Kentucky(east Car scored 24 in Gainesville and Kentucky held them to 14 points).
Florida is gaining confidence and momentum. i was very pissed they pulled out taht game against UTenn
they are improving leaps and bounds every week and their confidence grows.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:45 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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You mean like LF did last year when all 4 of these teams knew we didn't have a passing game last year?
Fournette averaged 3.8 YPC vs Alabama, 1.8 vs Arkansas. Both losses. He had decent games vs UF, A&M and Ole Miss. He didn't run wild.
Jennings threw for more than 100 yds vs UF, A&M and Ole Miss, averaging 10 completions a game. The passing game does matter.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
LF is a rare talent (I know, Captain Obvious) but no balance portends trouble. Thing is, I believe Harris can get the job done, but I don't see WR creating separation, and we have all seen the dropsies. Harris is airing it out with his big arm but I don't see WRs catching the ball in space on intermediate routes. The all or nothing passing game will, IMO, spell trouble for the defense because I see a lot of 2 minute drives in the future. This is the effect of a one dimensional offense. We can't keep 'em honest.
2011 offense coupled with the 2015 defense is a concern. I'm typically not a negatiger and I'm hoping things will work out.
2011 offense coupled with the 2015 defense is a concern. I'm typically not a negatiger and I'm hoping things will work out.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:48 pm to Choupique19
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This will be the reason we won't be able to run out the clock in the 4th quarter of tight games because EVERYONE knows that if the game is on the line, Les won't pass the ball. Stick 9 guys in the box, and attack Fournette.
Yep. We abandoned the pass vs Eastern Michigan.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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a solid win, and then the same excuses.
You have a good point but at some point in time you do have to look at this and shake your head.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:52 pm to SmackDaniels
look at what?
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Fournette averaged 3.8 YPC vs Alabama
I just said we would have problems running against Bama
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1.8 vs Arkansas.
4 carries. Come on.
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He had decent games vs UF, A&M and Ole Miss. He didn't run wild.
Yes he most certainly did. He ran through around and over Florida and A&M. Florida's defense was better last year than this year.
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The passing game does matter.
Never said it didn't matter. I said we will be able to run against stacked boxes of Florida, Ole Miss and A&M. We don't it last year woth a worse qb and worse run blocking oline.
Florida's defense isn't as good as last year's and neither is Ole miss's.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
Good post SFP... 
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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20-ish attempts would be reasonable in most games. knowing we could rely on 25-30 if we had to would be comforting20-ish attempts would be reasonable in most games. knowing we could rely on 25-30 if we had to would be comforting
Alright. Let's try and break this down now that we're on the same page. I'm going to keep the yards per completion the same and speculate higher attempts per game and a higher completion percentage.
LSU at current: 15.5 att/game 53% comp 95.5 yards 6.2 ypa 11.57 ypc
Your proposal: 21.5 att/game 61% comp. 151.74 yards 7.05 ypa 11.57 ypc
So with essentially no change in offensive philosophy, if we can catch a few more passes, which then inspires faith in calling additional pass play, we're looking at an increase of approx. 56 passing ypg.
Added to the 431.5 ypg that LSU currently averages would place us 21st in Total Yards Per Game, while still ranking only 117th in Passing Yards Per Game.
We don't need to overhaul what we're doing, we just need to do it better. Dural & Co. need to catch balls that hit them in the hands.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Florida is gaining confidence and momentum. i was very pissed they pulled out taht game against UTenn
Why would you want out perm opp to lose to Bama's perm opponent? You do realize what the 1st tie breaker is for a 3 way tie right?
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:55 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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We don't it last year woth a worse qb and worse run blocking oline
The difference is that, as bad as it was, our passing game (not necessarily our QB) was better last year. The numbers to this point back that up.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:55 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Why would you want out perm opp to lose to Bama's perm opponent?
to slow the momentum of a team we have to play
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You do realize what the 1st tie breaker is for a 3 way tie right?
does our record and conference record come before that tiebreaker? asking for a friend
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:56 pm to chilge1
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We don't need to overhaul what we're doing, we just need to do it better. Dural & Co. need to catch balls that hit them in the hands.
If this happens we will be very hard to beat.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:56 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Yes he most certainly did. He ran through around and over Florida and A&M. Florida's defense was better last year than this year.
No. Revisionist history.
He had good games vs both, but LSU was also able to throw the football on occasion.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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AJ did have his meltdown and Harris gets some of that credit, but go look at the 2014 stats through 4 games and compare them to 2015
I've seen them. I still contend that the sample size is the issue thus far.
For example, through 4 games last year, Jennings was completing 51% of his passes, averaging 9.27/attempt and 18.08/completion. However, Jennings had 6 completions go for 30 yards or more:
Wisconsin - 80 yards, 44 yards, and 35 yards
Sam Houston - 94 yards
ULM - 32 yards
Miss St. - 49 yards
334 yards on 6 catches. If you remove those plays, he goes down to 11.44/ completion and 5.40/attempt, which are slightly worse than Harris' numbers thus far.
I know you can't simply remove those plays, but if you've been watching the games, you understand that Harris cannot control some of these things.
That probably sums up my assessment of Harris best - he has done a more than adequate job with what he has control over.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Anyone who isn't scared I pose a question: do you think we're going to magically just have a good passing offense when we need it against Bama or Ole miss or TAMU? Will it just appear out of nowhere and all of the issues we displayed against MSU, Auburn, Cuse, and EMU just go away instantly?
What do I think? I think we will beat a bunch of good teams but won't win an MNC. The same as most years. If you find yourself unable to face that reality without going through an annual three-month long temper tantrum, I don't imagine you'll find much to enjoy about college football fandom.
I have trouble enjoying losses. So I figure I might as well enjoy the wins.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:59 pm to slackster
this thread isn't about harris
of the 3 phases of the passing game, he's the least of the concerns
of the 3 phases of the passing game, he's the least of the concerns
Posted on 10/4/15 at 12:59 pm to slackster
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That probably sums up my assessment of Harris best - he has done a more than adequate job with what he has control over
Nobody think BH is the problem. The problem is on the sideline and in the booth.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 1:01 pm to LACountyTiger
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The difference is that, as bad as it was, our passing game (not necessarily our QB) was better last year. The numbers to this point back that up.
Only because our 1st 5 games last year were Wisconsin, Sam Houston, ULM,Miss st and new Mexico state.
Our only cupcake game so far is east car.
Last year our first 4 games against power 5 conf teams our qb play was far worse.
Last year our qb play against Miss st ,auburn , and Wisky was far worse than our qb play against Miss st. Auburn, and Syracuse this year.
If we had played 3 cupcakes this year our qb numbers would he far better but our sec play started a lot earlier.
Now I do agree that these are just excuses but that doesn't mean they don't have merit.
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 1:01 pm
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