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So When does LSU Play a Complete Game? (Passing Game Stats Inside)
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:41 am
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:41 am
Anyone who acts like people are worried or anxious over simply last night is ignoring the rest of the season. We have a close game against a mediocre MSU team, which was OK because it was our first full game and was on the road. Luckily MSU melted down at the very end and then missed that FG
Then we play pretty well against a terrible Auburn team, but even though we are at home and playing a very bad team, we don't work on the passing game. But it was an SEC team and a hated rival (as well as Fournette's coming out party) so fans can give that a pass.However, that trend of lackluster play and the inability to pass continued. We had a lackluster effort with a horrible passing game against Syracuse? Oh we didn't take them serious. When do we stop looking ahead? Next week of course.
Well, we follow that up with a lackluster effort against one of the worse teams in D1A? Oh we didn't take them serious, either.
USCe isn't very good so I'm anticipating another incomplete game, likely sloppy play, a solid win, and then the same excuses.
We've played 4 games but in terms of the year we're 5 games in. We only have 7 left. We are 41.7% through the regular season and we are averaging fewer than 100 yards per game. We tried to work on passing against an absolutely terrible EMU team and were so bad Miles had to order the code red and we only ran in the 2nd half (I actually would like some historical context on the last time a top-10 team didn't complete a pass in the 2nd half of a live game).
There are legitimate worries about this team, and the most obvious is the complete inability of our team to develop a passing game. The QB, OL, and WRs are all at fault (QB being the least at fault), so this isn't a thread about Harris or a particular WR. ALL phases are playing at one of the worst levels in all of college football.
Our team passing (yard per game) currently ranks 124 out of 128 teams in D1A. Who ranks below us? 4 teams who all run the option only (AF, Navy, Army) and Georgia Southern (the team where Paul Johnson came from and a team who just entered 1A a few years ago).
Passing Rankings (out of 128):
Passing Yards/Game: 123 (LSU)
Total Attempts: 124-T (LSU)
Yards/Completion: 74 (LSU)
Yards/Attempt: 108 (LSU)
QB Rating (ESPN): 108 (LSU)
NCAA Efficiency: 105 (Brandon Harris)
So after looking at the stats, our passing game is clearly horrible. For people who want to ignorantly claim that our passing is bad in total simply because we don't pass the ball many times, I suggest that you look at the rates/efficiency stats. 108th in YPA is possibly our most telling stat, but 74th in YPC is very telling as well. Why? Well guess who ranks 1-2-3 in yards/completion?
Army, Air Force, and Navy. (Remember them from earlier?)
So we are combining the passing game of a talent-less option team WITH the inability to use passing opportunities when presented (like an option team). This is a recipe for disaster. Yes, we are running the ball VERY well but we are doing it against weaker competition. We still face very talented teams, 2 of which are very likely to slow our rushing game (Bama, Ole Miss). We also face 2 teams with very powerful offenses that may gash our defense (Bama, TAMU).
Like I posted last week. Only one team in the BCS era won a title without throwing for 2500 yards as a team (OSU in 2002 had like 2425 or so passing yards). We are on pace for 1393 passing yards (over 14 games). LSU would literally have to have a once in a lifetime team to win a title with that sort of terrible passing offense. I think that team was 2011 (with that defense and special teams, both of which are VERY weak this year), 2015.
Do I think we can turn our passing game around? Maybe. Cam has to lessen his grip on the offense. Miles has to allow screens, throws to backs, and throws over the middle. Nobody is asking for an Air Raid offense (mind you those teams have thrown 5-6x the times that LSU has, so even if we double our passing attempts, we'd have to MORE THAN DOUBLE that number to become "air raid"). People who are upset are worried that our completely inept, inefficient, and unproductive passing game will prevent this team from winning a national title. Our inability to even work on the passing game against a terrible team last night is legitimately scary.
Anyone who isn't scared I pose a question: do you think we're going to magically just have a good passing offense when we need it against Bama or Ole miss or TAMU? Will it just appear out of nowhere and all of the issues we displayed against MSU, Auburn, Cuse, and EMU just go away instantly?
Then we play pretty well against a terrible Auburn team, but even though we are at home and playing a very bad team, we don't work on the passing game. But it was an SEC team and a hated rival (as well as Fournette's coming out party) so fans can give that a pass.However, that trend of lackluster play and the inability to pass continued. We had a lackluster effort with a horrible passing game against Syracuse? Oh we didn't take them serious. When do we stop looking ahead? Next week of course.
Well, we follow that up with a lackluster effort against one of the worse teams in D1A? Oh we didn't take them serious, either.
USCe isn't very good so I'm anticipating another incomplete game, likely sloppy play, a solid win, and then the same excuses.
We've played 4 games but in terms of the year we're 5 games in. We only have 7 left. We are 41.7% through the regular season and we are averaging fewer than 100 yards per game. We tried to work on passing against an absolutely terrible EMU team and were so bad Miles had to order the code red and we only ran in the 2nd half (I actually would like some historical context on the last time a top-10 team didn't complete a pass in the 2nd half of a live game).
There are legitimate worries about this team, and the most obvious is the complete inability of our team to develop a passing game. The QB, OL, and WRs are all at fault (QB being the least at fault), so this isn't a thread about Harris or a particular WR. ALL phases are playing at one of the worst levels in all of college football.
Our team passing (yard per game) currently ranks 124 out of 128 teams in D1A. Who ranks below us? 4 teams who all run the option only (AF, Navy, Army) and Georgia Southern (the team where Paul Johnson came from and a team who just entered 1A a few years ago).
Passing Rankings (out of 128):
Passing Yards/Game: 123 (LSU)
Total Attempts: 124-T (LSU)
Yards/Completion: 74 (LSU)
Yards/Attempt: 108 (LSU)
QB Rating (ESPN): 108 (LSU)
NCAA Efficiency: 105 (Brandon Harris)
So after looking at the stats, our passing game is clearly horrible. For people who want to ignorantly claim that our passing is bad in total simply because we don't pass the ball many times, I suggest that you look at the rates/efficiency stats. 108th in YPA is possibly our most telling stat, but 74th in YPC is very telling as well. Why? Well guess who ranks 1-2-3 in yards/completion?
Army, Air Force, and Navy. (Remember them from earlier?)
So we are combining the passing game of a talent-less option team WITH the inability to use passing opportunities when presented (like an option team). This is a recipe for disaster. Yes, we are running the ball VERY well but we are doing it against weaker competition. We still face very talented teams, 2 of which are very likely to slow our rushing game (Bama, Ole Miss). We also face 2 teams with very powerful offenses that may gash our defense (Bama, TAMU).
Like I posted last week. Only one team in the BCS era won a title without throwing for 2500 yards as a team (OSU in 2002 had like 2425 or so passing yards). We are on pace for 1393 passing yards (over 14 games). LSU would literally have to have a once in a lifetime team to win a title with that sort of terrible passing offense. I think that team was 2011 (with that defense and special teams, both of which are VERY weak this year), 2015.
Do I think we can turn our passing game around? Maybe. Cam has to lessen his grip on the offense. Miles has to allow screens, throws to backs, and throws over the middle. Nobody is asking for an Air Raid offense (mind you those teams have thrown 5-6x the times that LSU has, so even if we double our passing attempts, we'd have to MORE THAN DOUBLE that number to become "air raid"). People who are upset are worried that our completely inept, inefficient, and unproductive passing game will prevent this team from winning a national title. Our inability to even work on the passing game against a terrible team last night is legitimately scary.
Anyone who isn't scared I pose a question: do you think we're going to magically just have a good passing offense when we need it against Bama or Ole miss or TAMU? Will it just appear out of nowhere and all of the issues we displayed against MSU, Auburn, Cuse, and EMU just go away instantly?
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 10:51 am
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:43 am to harry coleman beast
When you stop posting all this bull crap!!
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:45 am to SlowFlowPro
I hoping beyond hope that the passing game just shows up.
I have nothing to base that on. Perhaps a shake up of the receiving corps and altering the routes/calls
We had some similar games in 2012 with Mett and then it clicked
I have nothing to base that on. Perhaps a shake up of the receiving corps and altering the routes/calls
We had some similar games in 2012 with Mett and then it clicked
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:45 am to SlowFlowPro
I thought LSU's first series last night was a thing of beauty. Nice mixture of pass and run, team looked confident, and wasn't a bad play in the drive. Marched it down the field and scored a TD.
It showed me that we have the ability. We clearly are having a problem with consistency. Can we work that out? Against powerhouse teams, I'm hoping we stay focused. Tough to do against inferior foe.
I worry about our discipline more than anything else.
But I'm hopeful during the crunch time in our schedule, we can operate consistently like the first series last night.
It showed me that we have the ability. We clearly are having a problem with consistency. Can we work that out? Against powerhouse teams, I'm hoping we stay focused. Tough to do against inferior foe.
I worry about our discipline more than anything else.
But I'm hopeful during the crunch time in our schedule, we can operate consistently like the first series last night.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:48 am to Pilot Tiger
quote:
I hoping beyond hope that the passing game just shows up.
me too. i wanted that and our D to get a lot of rest (which kind of happened)
our passing was so bad against a terrible team that we had to shut it down to ensure victory

quote:
We had some similar games in 2012 with Mett and then it clicked
one, really. TAMU (the passing game was REAL bad that game. 29 attempts, 97 yards, 1 TD)
LINK
in 2012 we were asking about consistently throwing for 200. this year we're asking about hitting the century mark

Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
Answer....when we recruit a top JUCO QB that can already pass
Since 2008, only mett could pass with any consistency
Prior to 08, jamarcus and Flynn were recruited by Saban and coached by fisher
Since 2008, only mett could pass with any consistency
Prior to 08, jamarcus and Flynn were recruited by Saban and coached by fisher
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 10:51 am
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Only one team in the BCS era won a title without throwing for 2500 yards as a team (OSU in 2002 had like 2425 or so passing yards). We are on pace for 1393 passing yards (over 14 games).
The usual suspects get on here every week with some excuse for what happened in the previous game and why we didn't pass more and why is wasn't necessary. What the usual suspects conveniently ignore is that we, as LSU fans, have been watching this for 6.5 of the last 8 years. Only the backend of 2012 and 2013 was any different. And that was with all-time great college personnel at the skill positions.
There are legitimate concerns at this point for how LSU's season might play out going forward. Discussing those concerns doesn't make one a nega-Tiger.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
We cannot beat the good teams in this conference with the shitcan offense we put on the field last night. I was optimistic the passing game would get on track the last two games but I was wrong. Looks like another year of pounding the ball against 8 man fronts over and over.
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 10:53 am
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:53 am to Rouge
quote:
Answer....when we recruit a top JUCO QB that can already pass
harris is being asked to make chicken salad out of chicken shite (i hope somebody gets that reference), though
our WRs are limited by a terrible passing tree and the fact that they have decided, collectively, to drop a bunch of passes
our OL isn't pass blocking for shite and we give up 1-2 terrible sacks on unguarded blitzers every game
also, the structure of the passing game in general is just bad for college football. cameron expects too much of kids he only gets to coach 3-4 years, miles/cam want to rely almost exclusively on sideline routes, and they don't use backs, TEs, or screens.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
I think that Fournette is better than Hill. How about you?
This post was edited on 10/4/15 at 10:55 am
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
Before we get to Bama e miss and aTm we have to get passed Florida.
They may have the best defense in the sec outside bama
They may have the best defense in the sec outside bama
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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Our inability to even work on the passing game against a terrible team last night is legitimately scary.
I guess. The silver lining with this team is that the inefficiency in the passing game can be directly attributable to effort and focus. I know it may seem like a crutch, but drops have killed this team through the air, and if you're only going to throw it 15 times a game, dropping 3-4 simply won't cut it.
If Dural doesn't give up on his route in the end zone, and any of those PI balls are caught, no one would be melting this morning.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:56 am to Choupique19
The full on obsession some of you have with passing while ignoring the fact that the team may end up being one of the best running teams in history is amusing at this point.
It shows that you don't really care about winning by any means necessary, you care about flash.
If lsu is so bad and you think the coaches are so terrible, then why is lsu still in the top 10?
Honest answer would be great but I realize I'll get nothin but bull shite
It shows that you don't really care about winning by any means necessary, you care about flash.
If lsu is so bad and you think the coaches are so terrible, then why is lsu still in the top 10?
Honest answer would be great but I realize I'll get nothin but bull shite
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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rely almost exclusively on sideline routes, and they don't use backs, TEs, or screens.
Not true at all. We ran each of these passing plays last night.
I'm not sure how many screens and TE passed you can reasonably expect if you're going to only throw it 15 times a game.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
You truly believe lsu is one of the worst teams in the country going by your posts. It's getting ridiculous at this point.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:58 am to BeeFense5
Lsu had nfl talent and JUCO coaching (sometimes)
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:58 am to slackster
quote:
The silver lining with this team is that the inefficiency in the passing game can be directly attributable to effort and focus.
only one part (catching)
that doesn't affect our pass blocking issues, route trees, inability to run efficient play action, and limited passing game generally
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm worried about it. How could anyone not be? On the other hand, Brandon's accuracy seems to be an improvement from last year's QB accuracy.
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