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re: So, our offense was great except for the turnovers and penalties..

Posted on 9/8/10 at 11:07 pm to
Posted by cardee2003
Baton Rouge/Tacoma,WA
Member since Jan 2009
2633 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 11:07 pm to
It was ok, but not great
Posted by Raz
Member since Oct 2006
8482 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 11:10 pm to
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So my complaints are more with the coaching choices.



Well yea, I don't think people are calling for JJ, the oline, ridley, RS TT & RR to be kicked off the team. The bulk of people's frustrations with the offense is directed at the coaches, imo.
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I can't point to anything that was really bad about the offense other than the turnovers.

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Shep should have had more touches in the 2nd half and we should have tried to attack them through the air more than we did.


Well you just pointed to 2 of them right there. You can add to it that we: didn't use the wildcat, ran the lead option with JJ eventho he can't run it effectively (not sure if this is players fault, coaches fault, or both), and didn't run the ball as well as we should have with our "more aggressive" oline against a team missing 3 of their front 4, granted we missed Will Blackwell.
Posted by Raz
Member since Oct 2006
8482 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 11:12 pm to
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It was ok, but not great



I'm sorry, I just don't believe that 86th in the country with the talent we have on this team going up against 2nd and 3rd string defenders is "ok". I think it sucks, and that we have a lot of improvement to do (coaches and players) if we want to not suck all year.
Posted by lsuexpert57
Back Brusly
Member since Oct 2008
1644 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 11:23 pm to
Raz, you, not to put too fine a point on it, are just ignorant. The good news for you is, you are not the only one on here. There are literally hundreds of people on the rant that have little true knowledge of the game and only observe it like a casual fan. Answer me this (I already know the answer) do you ever DVR the game and then watch it back, observing each play several times as a coach would, reviewing the situation and the play call? Do you look at the design of the play, the formation and note how the OC is setting up the defense with a particular series of plays out of the same look? Of course you don't do that, you're too busy making wild accusations and saying the "team played like shite" to really give any worthwhile insight to how the team performed. If you like I will give you some examples of the offense, things you didn't notice, but I doubt you're interested, you've already got everything figured out. I'm just glad that you have no effect whatsoever on what goes on with our football team.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
26811 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 11:35 pm to
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Well you just pointed to 2 of them right there.


I'm talking about of the things we actually ran. Not the things I would have liked to see. The players can only run the plays that the coaches call. And if you add that Ridley score to the running game stats, those numbers would have looked a lot better. Put it this way, that's the best I've seen our running game look in a while.
Posted by Jason
Member since Nov 2003
3096 posts
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:10 am to
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Minus the herpes on your d***, a stripper would consider giving you a handjob


That's gross and uncalled for, grow up please.

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You can't take two offensive plays that turned into the ultimate desired result to try and make a negative point about the offense


That's not what I was doing. My point was outside of those 2 plays we didn't do crap on offense. Try to read more carefully

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The execution on those two plays was basically perfect


I agree with you

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Shep should have had more touches in the 2nd half and we should have tried to attack them through the air more than we did. That's coaching though


Again, you and I are in agreement on this. If you have paid any attention to many of my past comments you would see that coaching strategy and overall offensive coaching is my major concern.

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So my complaints are more with the coaching choices


My complaints have been ALL ABOUT COACHING CHOICES
We are in agreement yet again.

Posted by Jason
Member since Nov 2003
3096 posts
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:13 am to
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do you ever DVR the game and then watch it back, observing each play several times as a coach would, reviewing the situation and the play call? Do you look at the design of the play, the formation and note how the OC is setting up the defense with a particular series of plays out of the same look?


I do and I'm also a football coach
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
26811 posts
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:23 am to
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That's gross and uncalled for, grow up please.


I can agree with that. Though I see pretty awful stuff on here everyday, so I'm sure it's not that much of a shock to you.

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That's not what I was doing. My point was outside of those 2 plays we didn't do crap on offense. Try to read more carefully

And that's not tossing out the two best plays to make a negative point?

We agree with the rest. Go Tigers.
Posted by Jason
Member since Nov 2003
3096 posts
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:36 am to
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And that's not tossing out the two best plays to make a negative point?


Nope sure isn't. We had 190 yds of offense at the half if you include those 2 plays and you have to obviously. Am I happy with that output relative to the team on the field we were playing? NO, it should have been much much more. The reason it wasn't was because of the blah offensive game plan and the reason it was only 300 yds and 23 offensive points at the end of the day was because of the game plan as well. Against that UNC team on that night that output is down right gross & unacceptable to me as a coach & as an LSU fan and supporter because of the enormous amount of talent and big play ability of our athletes versus their athletes. That's it, period.

This post was edited on 9/9/10 at 12:39 am
Posted by TIsuGGER
Member since Apr 2009
2321 posts
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:40 am to
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Raz, you, not to put too fine a point on it, are just ignorant. The good news for you is, you are not the only one on here. There are literally hundreds of people on the rant that have little true knowledge of the game and only observe it like a casual fan. Answer me this (I already know the answer) do you ever DVR the game and then watch it back, observing each play several times as a coach would, reviewing the situation and the play call? Do you look at the design of the play, the formation and note how the OC is setting up the defense with a particular series of plays out of the same look? Of course you don't do that, you're too busy making wild accusations and saying the "team played like shite" to really give any worthwhile insight to how the team performed. If you like I will give you some examples of the offense, things you didn't notice, but I doubt you're interested, you've already got everything figured out. I'm just glad that you have no effect whatsoever on what goes on with our football team.

Hey, John Madden. We were up by 20, against a non-conference opponent, who was undermanned. We should have unleashed the beast at that point, just to see what she had under the hood, before we get into SEC play.

The sad thing is that most realists believe we did unleash the beast. Sunshine pumpers won't grasp that reality 'til halfway through the season. I bet your DVR didn't show you any of that, did it?

And you called him ignorant
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 9/9/10 at 8:59 am to
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We should have unleashed the beast at that point, just to see what she had under the hood, before we get into SEC play.


Or we could have given the 18 first time players a taste of real time college football to help them/us further down the road.

If not at 30-10, when?

Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 9/9/10 at 9:01 am to
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Ill give the offense 3 turnovers if they are able to get close to 400 yards of offense a game


NO, not in the red zone and when trying ot protect a lead. That is dumb
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79552 posts
Posted on 9/9/10 at 9:48 am to
Turnovers kill offenses. Everyone is freaking about how we need to get more yards, but somehow we had less than UNC and Won.

We need to improve on offense, but we need to win games. SO lets see how that goes

I think we are gonna see a complete game against Vandy
Posted by WelcomeToDeathValley
1st & 1st
Member since Aug 2006
16947 posts
Posted on 9/9/10 at 9:52 am to
There will always be something....

you cant reason with the people who see nothing wrong, I have given up.

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The reason it wasn't was because of the blah offensive game plan and the reason it was only 300 yds and 23 offensive points at the end of the day was because of the game plan as well. Against that UNC team on that night that output is down right gross & unacceptable to me as a coach & as an LSU fan and supporter because of the enormous amount of talent and big play ability of our athletes versus their athletes. That's it, period.


BOOM
This post was edited on 9/9/10 at 9:58 am
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