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Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:26 pm to King Joey
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irrationally pro-Saban.
No such thing exists.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 12:27 pm to noonan
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your love for nick is really kinda creepy in this thread.
What Nick and I have is beautiful.
YOU HEAR ME WORLD?!?!?! YOU CAN NEVER TEAR US APART!
Posted on 7/2/10 at 1:50 pm to Lacour
That makes no sense...
In a sport where a coach's worth is based on the amount of championships he wins, in your scenario, you're basically saying that even if Les (over a 10 year span) won a second NC and finished in the top 5 every year that you would still whine and complain about how he's not as good as Saban? Who would give a shite? If that was the case, Les would more than prove his worth.
It's time to accept that Saban is gone. And he's never coming back. What use is it to complain about a down season or two even though Nick had his share of them here as well.
In a sport where a coach's worth is based on the amount of championships he wins, in your scenario, you're basically saying that even if Les (over a 10 year span) won a second NC and finished in the top 5 every year that you would still whine and complain about how he's not as good as Saban? Who would give a shite? If that was the case, Les would more than prove his worth.
It's time to accept that Saban is gone. And he's never coming back. What use is it to complain about a down season or two even though Nick had his share of them here as well.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 2:01 pm to King Joey
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Why are you so emotionally invested in Les Miles?
quote:No, Loyd Christmas answered this for you.
Uh, because he's the head coach of the team I've loved since birth. (is this a trick question?)
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i just think its funny that posi-tigers accuse people who think Saban did a good job here of an irrational emotional attachment to Saban, when they defiantly defend Miles the same way or more so
Posted on 7/2/10 at 2:20 pm to lsu1208
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good coach but was just surrounded by the wrong staff
Correct me if I'm wrong in this, but it seems that everybody, whether critic or supporter, thinks of Miles as more of a CEO type who hires assistants and then delegates to them than an in-your-face type who is very hands-on and directly involved in the day-to-day coaching. I'm not saying that's a bad approach, but I do think it's the consensus on what Miles' approach is. Again, correct me if I'm wrong on this, and if anyone doesn't think of him as this style of coach, feel free to speak up.
I certainly believe that being a CEO delegator type coach is a perfectly valid approach and, if executed properly, can be just as successful as any other, and I assume most people agree with that. However, given that I do think it's a viable and reasonable approach to coaching, I think that the one absolute necessity for a coach who wants to sustain top-tier success with this style of coaching is that he has to be very, very good at identifying and hiring great assistants, especially top-level assistants like coordinators. Again, if I'm wrong about this, I'd love to hear why from anybody who thinks so.
So, if you agree that Miles is a CEO delegator type coach, and that that type of coach needs to be very, very good at hiring great assistants, then answer this question:
Given his track record in hiring assistants at LSU, would you say that Les Miles is very, very good at hiring great assistants, especially top level assistants?
This post was edited on 7/2/10 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 7/2/10 at 2:24 pm to lsu1208
quote:HE'D BETTER surround himself with good coaches cause a good coach HE is not.
If they do, then they'll have to admit that Les Miles is really a good coach but was just surrounded by the wrong staff... Just something I thought about.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 2:25 pm to lsu1208
it would be because of Nick Saban and the dynasty he built here and it's heritage.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 2:32 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:Where Miles fails is not in the initial hiring as much as his inability to step in when things start going sideways and affect change. He seems to sit back and let things spiral out of control. A good CEO, despite his reputation as hiring quality people and "letting them coach", also has to be astute enough to step in and be a leader, to clearly affect change when that is needed.
Correct me if I'm wrong in this, but it seems that everybody, whether critic or supporter, thinks of Miles as more of a CEO type who hires assistants and then delegates to them than an in-your-face type who is very hands-on and directly involved in the day-to-day coaching. I'm not saying that's a bad approach, but I do think it's the consensus on what Miles' approach is.
Miles takes the CEO approach to new levels of ridiculousness, simply sitting back and allowing the situation to crater before he finally makes a move.
We saw that with the dual coordinators, he even allowed them to stay the entire season AND coach in the bowl game, even though they were horrific and could have cost him his own job. He's slow and monotonous, which drives the fanbase crazy.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 3:33 pm to King Joey
After the Ole Miss uck Up he will always be an idiot to me.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 3:35 pm to PANTHER
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After the Ole Miss uck Up he will always be an idiot to me.
this
Posted on 7/2/10 at 3:38 pm to blackjackjackson
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it would be because of Nick Saban and the dynasty he built here and it's heritage.
dynasty?? heritage??
Posted on 7/2/10 at 3:44 pm to Lacour
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Lacour
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What Nick and I have is beautiful.
YOU HEAR ME WORLD?!?!?! YOU CAN NEVER TEAR US APART!
Throw a little more cayenne on there....I don't think you've stirred it up enough yet.
:rotflmao:
Posted on 7/2/10 at 3:58 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Given his track record in hiring assistants at LSU, would you say that Les Miles is very, very good at hiring great assistants, especially top level assistants?
First off, Pelini was his best hire so far. But no, Miles is not good at hiring top level assistants. I do not consider Crowton and Chavis top level.
Miles' CEO style that you mention gives tons of freedom to coordinators to run their own scheme. Miles should have used this as a selling point to younger, up and coming coordinators that have head coaching aspirations. Instead, he hired Chavis and Crowton two coaches that will most likely never become head coaches at a major D1 program.
But I do think Billy Gonzales and Frank Wilson were great hires.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 4:00 pm to Chimlim
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I do not consider Crowton and Chavis top level.
Crowton was a great hire for the 2007 season...the mistake was not letting him go after his typical rapid drop-off. Chavis was arguably one of the top 2-3 DC's available at the time of the hire. It's not really easy to go pluck a big name coordinator away from a top team.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 4:02 pm to Chimlim
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Instead, he hired Chavis and Crowton two coaches that will most likely never become head coaches at a major D1 program.
Ummm...Crowton was a head coach at BYU
Posted on 7/2/10 at 7:57 pm to Lloyd Christmas
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i just think its funny that posi-tigers accuse people who think Saban did a good job here of an irrational emotional attachment to Saban, when they defiantly defend Miles the same way or more so
that's not what the "posi-tigers" do at all. Here is not a single person here that would say saban did a bad job here. Everyone agrees thathe did a great job. The irrational emotional attachment that they might be speaking of is the fact that you saban lovers act like he never once messed up. And then bring up saban when he is not a part of the conversation. As in in this thread. This thread had nothing to do with saban yet here we are talking about him yet again.
This post was edited on 7/2/10 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:20 pm to Tigerbait337
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Point them out. Don't need post history, just point those posters out.
You can't do it, is what I'm saying. Because you're talking out of your arse.
I don't have time or desire to go through every post. I have responded to many people here who think Miles is every bit as good a coach as Saban. They defend Miles to the death on this point. They had a ton of them before Bama won the National Title. They are a little more quiet since Bama has proved it on the field. Read the rant and you will see them. I think Miles is a good coach, but the last 2 years and what Saban has done at Bama has been pretty special in SEC history going undefeated in 2 regular seasons. Also the fact he won 2 National Titles with 2 teams is not accomplished frequently. Saban is an excellent coach in my opinion. Miles is a good coach. When I make this point in giving credit to Saban people automatically assume you are attacking Miles.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:26 pm to peopleschamp
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When I make this point in giving credit to Saban people automatically assume you are attacking Miles.
only when you make this point in a thread that has nothing to do with saban. which is exactly what is going on in this thread.
this thread had nothing to do with saban until lacour said miles will never be as good as saban.
ok, great. saban is a great coach. we all think that. now frick the guy, he is at bama. why is he always on this LSU message board? get over the guy already or go be a bama fan.
Posted on 7/2/10 at 9:28 pm to peopleschamp
Just one post saying or thinking Miles is better, but I could find a bunch more. What is really the point? Miles is our coach. I want him to do well.
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